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[–]Dystaxia44 points45 points46 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Honestly lacking the bitterness is the healthiest thing for this sub. Without a stream of healthily adjusted recruits this place will become an echo chamber for pissed off 'victims'. This post might be an unpopular opinion but this is how I see things.
A lot of these people are frustrated and angry because they've have had experiences they can't rationalise. Truth be told most of them should only be angry at themselves and channel it to better themselves. People angry at women are playing victim and becoming what they hate. It's a step.
If successful the anger phase turns into stoicism. Change what you can and don't get upset with what you cannot. As understanding of how people act and react develops, the only variable is how you dictate and frame situations. The core tenants of this sub that are truly valuable are not limited to getting laid even though that's the application they are taught.
Swallowing the pill and seeing the world differently is relatively easy. Using the knowledge properly and not letting the realisations control you is what separates the boys from the men.
[–]dubjon[S] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well said, is a shame that this mentality is not popular in the sub.
[–]debok 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Somebody inevitably chimes in with the truth every time the topic comes up. As seen here. But it's up to us to see it and internalize it. The bitter and angry guys here tend to be more vocal, but there's nearly always somebody with solid advice commenting.
[–]trpiece1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Many of us have been that angry guy, so we understand where they're coming from. They'll ideally, grow out of it.
[–]redpill-account2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes.
It's not about being pissed.
It's about taking a stoic approach to the reality of the world and exposing yourself constanstly to that reality
[–]Booty_Canoe 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I supported reddit, I'd guild you for this very thoughtful and differenciated post - and I'm not cheap enough for reddit silver, so I decided to write down my appreciation.
That being said, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I didn't develop a hatred for women or femininity - I merely see things (feelings, reactions, "shit-tests") as how they are: An inherent quality of women.
For example, just as much as I accept that I look at her face and body on first sight (but probably even her ass and tits if they stand out), I accept that she checks out my status too - My shoes, if my shirt fits, if my jacket has any dirt on it, my car if I present it, my smell, my body, etc). I don't hate them for it, I just acknowledge that it's an instinctive reaction.
I am definitely a critic in everything I support. E.G. I don't really support Trump, but I subscribed to the_d because they (of all people) provide more balanced news than mainstream media.
I think immigration made Sweden a shithole, but I know the 1400% rape increase American republicans cite is bullshit (cause Swedens rape definition changed procedurally since the 70s. BUT there's still a significant increase and a significant government cover-up).
TL; DR:
You don't have to have any super violent divorce stories. I think the standard "WTF was she THINKING!?" is enough. This sub is not for women haters, just for people who recognize a pattern. If they hate it or deal with it - that's on them.
[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Without a stream of healthily adjusted recruits...
We don't get a stream of "healthily adjusted recruits"...
A lot of these people are frustrated and angry because they've have had experiences they can't rationalise.
Considering TRP is a collection of 1,000's of experiences, you're right. How could a single person have enough experiences (or proper upbringing) to make sense out of their experience? So they seek help. See first point above.
Truth be told most of them should only be angry at themselves and channel it to better themselves.
Yes, this is part of the process. The "anger phase" and it takes time to gain the wisdom to work through the experience and make sense of what happened.
People angry at women are playing victim and becoming what they hate. It's a step.
True dat.
Basically, the cycle goes like this: Guy meets girl Guy gets burnt by girl Guy is upset at loss of girl Guy finds TRP Guy learns to put self first Guy accepts responsibility for his life Guy learns fitness, game, psychology, etc Guy applies what he's learned Guy finds success Guy teaches others
With 200k global subscribers, there's a lot of variation across the cycle. Some stumble before step 1. Some never learn. Some get it and thrive. Ideally, guys are better when they leave then when they found us.
[–]abdada15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Reddit doesn't reflect TRP as a whole, and TRP on Reddit attracts some very very very low status males who are omegas but think they're betas.
Of course they're mad at the world and want to blame someone rather than looking in the mirror.
[–]lordengstr1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Can you ELI5 what an omega male is? Never heard of it before I'm pretty new to this sub. Is there any material on this in the sidebar?
[–]blitzer92 points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The term beta when used to describe males in a heirarchical system actually refers to the bulk majority of men and doesn't mean low-status, wimpy, or any of the other traits we tend to associate with the term. Beta are just average males. Betas in the true sense of the word tend to be likeable, good guys with decent self-esteem. They might have had a few girlfriends and gotten laid a couple of times but they don't pull pussy the way alpha males do.
Omega males are the type of guys you'd consider "cringy", the ones who are at the bottom of the social pyramid. Over-sensitivity, lack of emotional control, poor social skills, and poor situational awareness are typical omega traits. These are the people that nobody wants to associate with. The guys who latch onto girls and follow them around like puppy dogs. The guys who get mad and throw tantrums when girls don't reciprocate their feelings.
[–]lordengstr2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the thorough explanation, I appreciate it!
[–]Trading_Stuff 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Based on the Greek alphabet. It goes alpha first, then beta, omega being the last letter. They just jump straight to the last letter to try and exaggerate how hopeless someone is, maximize insult, and make it clear to all (really just lying to themselves) how truly different to them and alpha they are. This place is a locker room with a bunch of guys roid raging around, trying to be the coolest.
[–]dubjon[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Makes sense, thanks for the honestly.
[–]LongSchlongAIDS7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is how I think most field reports are: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/949/297/2a2.jpg
[–]dubjon[S] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL at least that's aspirational, better than victim posts
[–]Trading_Stuff 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was already imagining that. You don't need to actually bang 5000000 women to get praised for it on the internet and dole out your sage advice regarding women.
[–]Ketogainsmongoose 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Later tonight I'll be doing a write up about the anger phase and our place in a women's' world. Be sure to follow
[–]1rporion3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I do not think it is hatred of women per se, it is more that the fantasy is destroyed of what women are supposed to be.
I think the anger phase displayed on this forum is more a form of mourning than anything else.
Plus a deep seated hatred of rules that favors women in all kinds of ways is not necessarily hatred of women though the lines may be blurred sometimes.
A healthy amount of disgust that most women simply go along with and it still play the victim if pressed, well, if that is hating women, count me in !
[–]dubjon[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Don't hate women for taking advantage of the situation, wolves don't hate deers for running fast, they just run faster.
[–]1rporion0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Maybe, but we are not the wolves in this situation.
[–]dubjon[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You are here to become a wolf, and the first step is: Think like a wolf. Eyes on the next prey, not in the one that runned away.
[–]1rporion0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No, I am too old for this shit.
I do not want to work like a dog to make the current system work for me .
I do not want the current system to work at all.
Let us just burn it all down.
It is us, who imagine, plan, maintain and finance civilization.
To keep on doing that, against all odds, is a fool´s errand.
[–]Trading_Stuff -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A rapist, ladies and gentlemen. Round of applause!
[–]aanarchist4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
trp is a toolset, use them as you wish. i love women too bro and some dude have horror stories and some don't. ultimately trp teaches you to be a free man who make his own decisions and bows to no gods and no masters. there's indeed a lot of hatred and bitterness, but that's true whether or not a person is red pill. the tools you pick up here can help you in social interactions or in business interactions, it's not just with women.
[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TRP has phases... just like mourning.
When someone dies when they're like 95 years old or some really high number like that and they've been sick or whatever for a while you tend to skip stages... If you knew shit was wrong with the world and figured out some red pill truths before coming here you might be able to skip anger phase all together because you never got seriously burned by women and the gynocentric society we live in.
[–]RedPillRobin1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a philosophy adapt it to your life. Man there is Christian Red Pill, MGTOW, seduction artist, MRA's and Everything in between. This is a philosophy. Religion is not very pliable but a philosophy you take what you want.
Also understand many of these men hardly ever got girls been rejected so much and when they see reality they are pissed. So was I. But we overcome. We are men. Take the stuff that's useful and lose whats not. I often find things I thought were stupid to be completely relevant in my life. Like how women covertly communicate. That's something I read but never grasped until a recent LTR failure.
[–]1RXRob1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I fucking love women. I couldn't live without them.
Because of that love I have to be honest about their flaws. AWALT, but they're fun whilst the going is good.
[–]dubjon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly, they have flaws, and I'm ok with that, that's the purpose of the red pill, understand those flaws and learn to manage them.
[–]1RXRob0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Ying and Yang. We compliment each other
[–]Kiltraki1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ignore bitterness, and those who are angry and emotional.
You see some anti-women rhetoric here, but people forget that a lot of men are fuck ups and do weird, pathetic cringe shit as well. Men are not somehow superior to women - both genders have their bad apples.
Stick purely to theory, keep emotion out of your Red Pill learning experience. You'll have a much better time with women if you aren't so bitter about them all the time.
The theory here is absolutely spot on, but don't get consumed by the angry, negative losers on here who just bitch about women.
Celebrate men and women for who they are - they are different and offer different types of happiness, comfort, friendship, love etc.
[–]EscortSportage1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course you can be RP material, stop fucking doubting yourself and become what you want. Stop believing in unicorns and enjoy yourself.
[–]cuntrolbot3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, we all love women. TRP is a discussion of sexual strategy, not MGTOW.
Wherefore anger? There are a number of things that are true about women, which if they were true of you as a man, would be something you would hate about yourself. Such are the fundamentals of TRP. This is a radical departure from the mindset of your typical feminized male, who has been told that women and men are equal. Upon swallowing the pill, he is angry at women for not living up to his expectation, even though it isn't their fault - they were born that way. The anger is from the grieving over the death of an illusion.
[–]Trading_Stuff -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Such are the fundamentals of TRP. This is a radical departure from the mindset of your typical feminized male, who has been told that women and men are equal. Upon swallowing the pill, he is angry at women for not living up to his expectation, even though it isn't their fault - they were born that way.
Please never have children and never try to have a real relationship. Stick to chasing bar sluts, because it's all you can handle mentally and emotionally. Any woman who'd be with you must really hate herself to sink so low.
[–]cuntrolbot1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any woman who'd be with you must really hate herself to sink so low.
Teachable moment here. I'm going to white knight and defend m'ladies.
First LTR was a girl who I encouraged to go to college. Her family didn't want her to go, I encouraged it, I told her she could do it, and this mattered to her. You see I fucked her mercilessly, a lot, and she respected me. I always had options and she knew it. Bobby blue-pill beta's words of encouragement are nearly as meaningless as his mangina. Oh and she did go to college and now runs her own business.
Another past LTR is now a senior muckety muck at a big company. Another has a Masters in.. something. We mostly just fucked. Maybe you are right, all these educated, career driven bar sluts really hate themselves. I'll tell you what they didn't hate, is me making them cum on a regular basis. And here is the real kicker: dread game works. I didn't want it to work, I wanted my love cake to respond to me being attentive and respectful, but it just didn't work. And I learned this long before learning the words to describe it. You want your girlfriend to respect you? Just tell her you're going out with the bros instead of watching a movie at her place. Just wait for her to call you, instead of calling her. Have options, or at least appear to have options.
[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
There's a simple question to be asked here, can you hate an individual woman? If the answer to that is no, then you have the problem that pussy is on the pedestal. Part of the blue pill programming. Women are capable of great evil and those women who commit these evils should, rightly, be reviled. This is common sense. The blue pill conditioning demands that pussy is never to blame for anything evil.
The second issue you need to cover is empathy. Can you feel the pain of another man? Those who can empathise with a man who has been fucked over by a woman will rightly feel anger. It's natural be annoyed by injustice such as the woman who had a man who provided for her, betray him and receive no punishment (even maybe getting rewarded) for her awful behaviour. Once you discover AWALT, it reveals a very unpleasant truth... that any woman is capable of these evils. If you don't have any anger or bitterness during the journey then I'd say there's something wrong with the way your emotions operate. These are perfectly natural and you'll eventually come to terms with it.
Which brings us to the conclusion of the logic: just because someone like me has passed the point of any anger or bitterness about reality, does not mean I should pretend that these emotions are any less legitimate for my fellow men. There's a phrase I like to use "when a cunt acts like a cunt, you call her a cunt because she is a cunt." This is my reminder of reality. That women are people too, and as such they are entitled to both the positive and negative emotions. Unfortunately, due to society being held in the grip of rape hysteria and feminism, you are not permitted to vent the negative about women. However, here you can vent it. This is why there is a disproportionate amount of negativity regarding women.
In addition to this, it is pragmatic for a successful sexual strategy to view women as inferior. The reality is that we're not actually comparable. Men and women are playing different games. However women will find men who treat them as though they are a disposable afterthought and behave as thought they (the man) are the prize to be much more attractive. Essentially it's a matter of shifting the way your mind works. You clearly still have some of the blue pill programming designed to make you avoid any negative emotions or thoughts about women. The irony is that this is typically brought about by a false suggestion that men and women are equal. The problem with their thoughts is that if men and women are equal then women should get an equally harsh viewing from such a man who believes this. If you've never hated a woman in your life then you clearly don't believe in equality. Nobody has only ever had positive experiences with women. Not even women. (Especially not women.)
[–]dubjon points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think I can, a lot of women in the street and the office annoy me, but I've never hated a woman I know intimately, usually, they hate me. I definitelly don't believe in equality, men and women are different, not better or worst, just different, I don't expect high levels of reason and logic from females, the same way I have little respect for male feelings. I'm a web producer and only work with female artists and male developers, maybe is not a perfect system (there're exceptions, obviously) but is the safest way to get things done.
I think your problem with women is the disapointment from unrealistic expectations, I don't have that problem, women are women and always do what women do, simply as that.
But yeah, I prefer the company of girls, I love mind games, I love shit testing, I love absurdity, call me a feminist.
[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think your problem with women
I do not have a problem. If you read my comment correctly, you would see that I offered an explanation for your observations. There is no personal commentary besides citing a phrase I like using for explanation purposes.
I can read between lines, maybe that's why I get along with women so well.
[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Passive aggressiveness is a feminine trait. Cut that shit out while you're here. You will also want to consult the sidebar rules if you wish to continue participating.
[–]dubjon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I apologise if I offended you, it wasn't my intention. Can you be more specific about the rules I'm breaking?
If you read my post correctly, I'm asking about what is expected from users in this forum, you are the first one complaining about my attitude, I really want to know if my personality is going to be a problem and exactly why. Thanks for the feedback.
[–]stonepimpletilists 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sidebar, official rules, specifically the list of shaming tactics.
it's 5 minutes, even on mobile you should have seen them.
the bar to not get a ban is laughably low, a testament to how stupid people are that they keep tripping over it.
[–]dubjon[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I read it, still don't understand what I did wrong.
But is pretty obvious that I don't fit here, so I better leave before doing more damage.
Thank you so much for clarify, have a great day.
[–]Dystaxia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Those that feel the most out of place likely need this place the most. If one bad comment exchange pushes you out of a community then you're also likely to leave a bar too after getting denied at an approach.
I'm not sure what your posts said because they were deleted but stick it out and lurk for a while. You got called out on passive aggressiveness then got a non-answer genuinely trying to figure out the ropes. That's passive aggressiveness if I've ever seen it. Fuck what he thinks and welcome aboard.
[–]dubjon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man, but I already been accused too much of hurting women's feelings, no need to have men accussing me of the same shit. This guys are scared of "feminine traits", give me a break, I'm not gonna be watching my words to protect someone's fragile machism, let them have their safe space.
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