I need to make more money to live the MGTOW lifestyle I want. I would appreciate advice, because I'm unhappy.

betterredthenwed · 2018-12-04T19:27:23+00:00

I left academia part way through my doctorate in part because there's no way for a straight white male to make it there. I don't like being judged for how I was born. I don't do that others.

What's your field?

lone-ranger-130 · 2018-12-04T19:30:45+00:00

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[deleted] · 2018-12-04T19:42:39+00:00

I think, with your experience as a college professor, you have far more business sense than you think. You could probably run a meeting better than anyone who wasn’t once a professor. You can presumably communicate well with others, which is like 80% of business.

PittHarmon · 2018-12-04T19:44:10+00:00

Wait, your a college professor. Can't you take, audit or sit in on business classes? Then make some business friends so you see how their world works, how their minds work. Start with accounting and go from there. Think 10 years ahead and you'll do fine. Your not homeless, you make 60k a year and have access to an unlimited training and networking environment.

Your in great shape. People pay a fortune to go to college. Here you are an insider, have access to a library and almost unlimited resources. Stop moping around, you have a golden opportunity right where you are.

LionelHutz4 · 2018-12-04T19:48:03+00:00

"I have zero business sense. I don't know how to sell a product."

You are capable of learning though. Don't expect a mansion and money to just be handed to you. You know this is the path to wealth so get started. If you don't want to do that, that's OK too.

60K is more than enough to lead a good MGTOW life.

Mgtaoteching · 2018-12-04T21:27:30+00:00

Become a miser. No joke. Not frugal. A miser. Pinch every damn cent, reduce your living standard, etc. Make money your sole goal until you reach the figure you are going to need. Once you reach that number, you walk off into the sunset, without warning. You either break the system or it breaks you. You know what you need to do.

xabl00 · 2018-12-04T19:56:45+00:00

First, it sounds like as a person with a doctorate, you'd be able to do the research to figure out what you need to do. Second, a PhD can go a loooooooong way in other fields. Depending on what it is, I can easily see you breaking six figures.

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T19:50:57+00:00

I have zero business sense. I don't know how to sell a product. People tell me to do consulting work but I don't know how to do that.

Nobody knew before they started. Just make a change. At first it can be hard but over time (a couple of years) you'll make it. Just need to make a move. If you stay where you are, you'll get the same result. Academia sucks.

There are many opportunities, but they won't come to you. You have to get your ass off the chair and go. You won't even see them before you do that, which can look scary. But it's not. It's scarier to stay at that hole, be miserable and miss all the wonderful things you can do in your life.

Just get up and go. There's nothing to lose.

eduardkoopman · 2018-12-04T20:14:29+00:00

Earning money with money. Is what I hope to be able to do throughout my future live. So my savings, turning it into investements. And then those investments increasing in value over time as well as dividend/returns annually.
I once here someone say; that compound interest is like the 8th world wonder. Because it gives exponential return after decades.

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T22:36:48+00:00

Omg ... this is crying on a high level. Is this post a joke? I m sry mr.

I made so many mistakes, I threw away a lot of opportunities in my life. I have a low status job but I like it and I chose it. I feel I have the most free life ever. I dont need a certain income to be a man going his own way. I draw a line there. I can count and save every month and I am doing good.

You career people may look down on me, like women in the upper class do. I give a shit on your lofty posh elitist views. I am probably more free than you all.

DWShimoda · 2018-12-04T23:08:23+00:00

I think your chief problem is not "income" it's "outgo"...

Basically you're clueless where your money goes, how you are spending (squandering) it.

Instead of whinging and cringing about what you "don't know"... or being caught up in the inanity of "credentialism" (as if possessing a degree is somehow the same as KNOWING anything at all) -- why don't you get your ass out there and actually LEARN some things...

To start with: basic budgeting.

Because among other things, I can guarantee you that until you do that (really and truly do it, humble your pretentious BS about it)... then THIS:

with enough land to run a small farm so I can be self-sustainable for food

AIN'T gonna work.

Seen waaaaay too many academic idiots try it... they always fail (usually pretty horribly).

ragnorcock · 2018-12-04T19:30:09+00:00

You might try day trading.

pauljs75 · 2018-12-04T20:03:58+00:00

Still a much better gig than driving mental kids to school. Imagine getting hit in the back of the head all the time and still not getting changed to another route after making a bunch of behavior write-ups, despite the so-called company policy. And suffering through that for a few years for less than 20K a year. At some point it's definitely time to bail!

There are worse things out there. Believe me.

If anything though, I think a job that doesn't deal with people on a daily basis (other than "here, sign this" or similar) is probably what you need to look for. Not discounting burn out (regardless of a better job), so that's probably the most common factor in work sucking.

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T20:51:49+00:00

Want less

irresponsible_tech · 2018-12-04T22:28:54+00:00

I thought about going back to school for a Masters but I don't know. It feels like all those years getting my doctorate would be a waste.

Sunk cost fallacy. You hate your job and you don't make enough money for your goals. Your unwillingness to change course will only cost you more and more potential earnings and happiness.

Time to go back on the school bench and learn something else. It doesn't have to be in university. How about a trade, or something in-between white and blue collar (grey collar)?

I was in the same position as you, once, except I had invested less time and effort. I went to university, graduated with a Master's in a social science and hated my job. I went back to technical school and learned something else completely different (STEM). Now I make more money than my university acquaintances (also more than you) and my job is much more fun. I never thought I could work 70 hours a week and not give a shit. Every other job I had, 40 hours was a Herculean effort and I spent my weekends dreading the week.

Open your mind. Look up promising fields and careers via statistics then pick one you like the sound of and go for it. Put your doctorate behind you, it won't matter where you're going.

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T19:46:45+00:00

Where do you live currently? I know some places are rather expensive to live in.

westnblue · 2018-12-04T20:51:46+00:00

Are you in America?

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T23:05:33+00:00

I was working as a DJ, then got my master's. Then I became a strip club DJ.

Quit that, learned to build websites, trade stocks and crypto, etc., by reading free shit online and have since quit the nightclubs, doubled my income and work from home.

Edit: college is a waste of time and money.

Mgtaoteching · 2018-12-05T00:13:20+00:00

You make pretty good money. What is your budget like? If you can learn to let go of material things and be content in a small house, you’ll still have more than enough. Money won’t fix your problems (unless you’re in debt), but a mindset change will.

If you learn to define what ‘enough’ is in your life, you’ll also learn that you can live on less than you think you need. If you do want all that big stuff, guess you will have to work more. But what are we here on earth for? To work for things? Or to try and be decently comfortable, and have more time to spend doing things that we love doing?

acekick3r · 2018-12-04T20:36:51+00:00

Move to China, teach there, it's a hell of a lifestyle, you won't make 60k, but you'll have an adventure, plus you never know what what direction your life can take. Travel Asia, meet people, eat food nice weather, live comfortably. Learn mandarin my friend after learning that language , you're life will change. You survived the hunger games Bro. No family,, no kids, you're on a gravy train with biscuit wheels. One way ticket to shenzhen China baby

cryptotim70726 · 2018-12-04T22:48:16+00:00

I supplement my income with affiliate marketing, reselling thriftstore books (mostly textbooks) on Amazon/Ebay, and retail arbitrage.

NordHamsteri · 2018-12-04T23:37:55+00:00

60k is enough. You just need to cut your useless spending.

FullThotle · 2018-12-04T23:52:04+00:00

I knew that education (period) was infested with SJWs since the great "Save the planet! REDUCE REUSE RECYCLE!" campaigns that began when I was in the 2nd grade. I have no idea how it took you 23 years minimum and 17 years of being in a system to realize that (I guess it shows you don't have to be too bright to get a doctorate), but people have been pointing out the increasingly gynocentric nature of education, both lower and higher, for a solid two decades.

It's just a further evolution of the diversity initiative.

I've had a business idea for 25 years I've wanted to implement. I won't give away my business plan, but I would say there's a staggering lack of direction for young boys in today's society. I always viewed my time in concentration ca- I mean school campuses as interference to my true education.

I would have loved a place to learn how to repair an engine (I intend to restore a car with an old engine to get away from computer chips that allow agencies to commandeer my vehicle's functions), do wood working, program applications, create webpages, carve wood, archery, survival skills, cooking classes, etc etc...

All of these things that focus on life skills and competence have been weeded out from public education slowly over time. More and more the qualities and characteristics of young males, rather than being harnessed, are being dubbed toxic and undesirable.

I believe it is on men to make sure our young boys are getting the correct inputs and exposure to trades, skills and ideas. We need a masculinity renaissance. Use your big doctor brain and figure out how to make that happen.

guitarguy1749 · 2018-12-05T00:12:13+00:00

You may need to re-evaluate things and your goals. I only make 50k a year but because I've learned to live pretty simply and frugally I am doing very financially. No wife and kids here either and I am mid forties. I have short commute to work which frees up my time more. I really manage my spending habits and in the past year I'm proud to say I have not spend even one dollar on women. I know I will be fine in the future because I know how to live a simple life without crazy expensive things or vacations.

pjabrony · 2018-12-05T01:28:09+00:00

What’s your degree in? Is there any profit-making organization that could use your skills?

You don’t need to sell a product, but you do need to sell yourself to an employer. And you only need to make one sale. But, got your resume out there now. The semester is about to end and you’ll have time to interview.

Don’t go back for another degree. In the first place, that’s spending not earning. In the second, you need to get out of academia. It’s amazing the difference in the pride you have in your work when you’re part of creating something that people buy and use because they want it, not because they’re bilked into it with false promises.

[deleted] · 2018-12-05T02:09:10+00:00

bank some money, and move somewhere cheaper and get a job there instead of academia. problem solved.

[deleted] · 2018-12-05T02:54:37+00:00

Have you thought about taking Computer Science classes at your university? I imagine you get free tuition. You can change your life for free.

SomeGhostingGuy · 2018-12-05T06:11:10+00:00

I suck at sales too. Not really a social person, not handsome either. But my existing and potential customers know that I take good care of them instead of instantly forgetting about them after the documents are signed. My advertising basically is giving interested customers the phone numbers of existing customers. Saves me time and advertising budget.

Yootoobactname · 2018-12-05T07:33:43+00:00

Work the oilfields. You won't work less, but it's a male dominated field and a lot of fun. All the guys out here love it.

mgtowthrowaway0 · 2018-12-05T13:51:00+00:00

The important thing you need to learn is to decouple your earning potential from your time, that's the first ceiling to your earning limits.

You can drop the "I don't know how" self-speak, it's as simple as starting from where you think is a good place to start and just figure it out from there. You don't need anyone and ultimately you're the only one that can lift yourself up.

[deleted] · 2018-12-04T19:31:30+00:00

" I have zero business sense. I don't know how to sell a product. People tell me to do consulting work but I don't know how to do that. I just know how to get hired and published, and it's making me no money. "

Sounds to me like you're screwed then as your only skill is of little value. Time to learn some new useful skills then.

Title	I need to make more money to live the MGTOW lifestyle I want. I would appreciate advice, because I'm unhappy.
Author	throwawayofthedayhah
Upvotes	52
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Date	December 4, 2018 7:20 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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I think your chief problem is not "income" it's "outgo"...