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The REAL gender war!

sacchidananda

September 19, 2018

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Title	The REAL gender war!
Author	sacchidananda
Upvotes	1204
Comments	139
Date	September 19, 2018 12:12 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9h4lpi/the_real_gender_war/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/the-real-gender-war.489753 https://theredarchive.com/post/489753

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Oh man... we went from our ancestors going through storms, natural disasters, sandstorm, icestorm , fighting every animal in the world trying to fucking kill and eat you.

All of that was fuelled by the desire of fucking. And hopefully the person you'd fuck would be gratefull for what you're, or at least "happy" .

Now why bother with all that shit ? You can meet someone on a bar and fuck her. but man you're having a greater risk of ruining your life than what your ancestors were going through.

The risk of enslaving yourself to that person and to the system in place.If she's mad she can claim rape and you'll be in jail buttfucked by other dudes for 20 + years.

If she's crazy enough to trick you into having a child , you'll have to pay for all her expense and if you don't , you'll go to jail..

If you're married you'll get divorced (thats the hard truth, 60% marriages end up that way, and god knows how weak minded persons stay in an abusive relationship.) And you'll have to give to that person 50 % of what your fucking ancestors / family owned and pay her every single month until the child is 18...

This is just sad man so many things went wrong with our society specially in europe and us...

The western society is pre-dominant all over the world even in asian country... but in some small cities in the middle east , or in asia, i still think there's some happy family that are way more faithfull to each other than

anyone in the eu....

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" I just assume that everyone believes that wonderful parents exist"

--Well that's not at issue here. Let's say your two parents are the two wonderful parents which exist in the world. Ok, so "wonderful parents" exist-- we know this. So, fine, it's true. But what would it matter if 2 people out of 7 billion are "wonderful parents"?

What is at issue is the ratio i.e. concentration of "wonderful parents" among parents. Not whether they're extant or extinct. But at what concentration does, say, the United States population have 'wonderful parents'? (First we'd have to define what constitutes wonderful parents, and then all agree on it as our premise ;) )

"those who wish to be parents strive to be so."

Yeah. striving is good. But striving isn't being that thing ultimately, it's simply being on the path to getting there. Which means anyone can claim they're on the path, regardless of where their parenting skills are at.

I'd say it's probably a safer bet to assume folks around you have it worse than you do. Especially if you had a good upbringing. Why? Because if folks had a better upbringing than you, then they'll likely be upstanding citizens-- nothing to worry about there.

BUt if they didn't, there's a higher probability they're a lil fucked in the head. In which case it's best to be careful around them.

Example:

I'm staying at a place where I recently met some folks. Turns out one of the ppl I met ran away from his abusive dad when he was about 14. He basically told his dad 'If you beat me again, I'm leaving'. And his dad did, so he left on his own, and walked across an international border and started a new life (before getting deported unfortunately).

Now, that dude seems super chill. I made friends with him really quick. He's got a great sense of humor. Fun to be around. But turns out he has a darker background than what I had imagined. And now that I get to know him better, I see he has some immature-minded interpersonal conflicts with friends. And I've also seen how he treats baby animals (some puppies of a mutual friend) and it's a bit more violent than I would expect from a normal person.

The moral of this particular story is.. well, as you're probably aware... gotta be careful around ppl, even if you think you know them. Such as a supposedly "good" wife. i.e. people can appear good, but still be fucked in the head.

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[–]chalchium29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Family ties a man down with obligation that no longer suits a modern society.

With increased productivity, better technology, and more resources, people are more free than ever. You can chat with someone on the opposite side of the earth right now, start an online business tomorrow, or enroll in a master degree course by the end of this month. Therefore, any bondage, even in the form of family, that limits this new found freedom, is primitive by nature.

Not to mention the we have over-populated the world. No apex predator has a population similar to ours. We are so equipped medically and socially that extinction is not possible. We are no longer in reproductive peril. Family will only harm the planet with over-population. Funny how all leftist screams environmentalism but never realized this.

Sorry to say, but this is the biggest black-pill. Family as a concept is outdated and dangerous to the future of human race. Let those who are proficient in family business carry-on to keep human from dying. The rest should be free to do what they like, regardless of gender.

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That might be true, but many also have good memories of growing up. Men WANT to have kids looking up to them and being happy about being taken on weekend trips or whatever. Men look forward to the day when the kids grow up and come over to visit and share stories about their lives.

The problem is that culture has completely destroyed this dynamic. Wives and kids make demands and husbands/fathers are simply expected to pay for them. There is no authority, or ability to say no. Children don't respect their father, and neither does his wife. They all know that if he doesn't tow the line he'll be screwed over by the government if they complain.

Once upon a time a kid would ask for an expensive toy and the parents would say no and make it a learning experience about saving up or making choices and sacrifices in life. Now mom just buys the kid the toy and hands dad the credit card bill, because mom doesn't want to hear the complaints.

Men worry about losing their jobs because they're living hand to mouth and will literally be out on the streets if they miss a few paychecks. In the past this is something they had control over - they could have savings. Today the savings are just the wife's spending money.

I don't really have a problem with the concept of family. The problem is that it isn't at all what it used to be. The father's role is basically to just keep giving while everybody else just complains about how they don't have enough. There is no authority or respect or benefit going back to the father. And so nobody wants to be a father.

These days 50% of kids are probably born because their parents were drunk and had unprotected sex, and mom figured having the baby was either going to be a hobby worth trying out, or that it would be a good way to try to get Chad to stick around, or at least wring some money out of the father.

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Are you new here? Your unicorn wife can literally turn at any moment. Your daughter is brainwashed by the media and school. Your son will be destroyed by feminism and all types of societal emasculation. The family itself is made so that you as an individual is made a slave of the system. But bro, you do you. Im not judging anyone who wants a family because its natural to want to have a family, afterall some of us had good families. But in 99% of the situations its not really "your" family, its a pawn of the state. All married men at my workplace are fat, defeated and ruined beyond recovery, im pretty sure their wives cheat on them. If you really want a family there are options, like getting out of western feminist countries. But unless you have a lot of money and power its probably not your family there. Good luck.

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Or he's not a clueless moron like you.

Bobby Sherrill, a Lockheed employee in Kuwait from North Carolina, was captured by Iraqis and spent nearly five months as an Iraqi hostage. Sherrill was arrested the night after his release for not paying $1,425 in child support while he was a hostage.[9][10][11][12]
Clarence Brandley, a Texas high school janitor, was wrongly convicted in 1980 of murder.[13] After spending many years in prison and on death row,[14] he was released in 1990 and he then sued the state of Texas for wrongful imprisonment in 1993.[15] The state then responded with a bill for nearly $50,000 in child support that had not been paid while in prison.[10][11] Dianna Thompson of The American Coalition of Fathers and Children told the Houston Chronicle that federal law makes it illegal for states to forgive child support payments regardless of circumstance.[16] Michael McCormick, of the American Coalition of Fathers and Children said, concerning child support payments, "I'm not aware of any state where it says a wrongly convicted individual is relieved of their obligation."[17] Despite paying child support every month since his release via wage garnishment, Brandley's child support total reached $73,000 in 2003, when a judge reduced his total to $22,000; however, this amount is still more than triple the $7,000 in back child support Brandley owed at the time of his arrest in 1980.[15] Recently, Brandley lost his job in the economic downturn in 2008; he has since lost his car and house as the child support bills and interest keep coming.[15]
Taron James, a U.S. Navy veteran from California, was forced to continue to pay child support until 2006, even after the child was demonstrated by DNA test in 2001 to be not his; James paid $12,000 in such payments.[18][19] A California District Court of Appeal eventually set aside the paternity judgment against James in 2006, but the same court denied James' request to have his child support payments reimbursed.[20]
Larry Souter was wrongly convicted of murder in 1992 and spent 13 years in prison[21] before being exonerated and released in 2005. Upon release, he was ordered to court to explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt for failing to pay $38,000 in combined back child support, interest, and penalties.[21] Payments were not suspended for at least 3 years while he was in prison.[21] The interest and penalties accumulated while he was still in prison, and presumably unable to pay.
Geoffrey Fisher was taken to court in 2001 due to being delinquent on child support payments, and had his driver's license suspended.[22] Fisher pushed for custody, and a state-ordered paternity test determined he was not the biological father.[22] In January 2002 a judge determined he no longer had to pay child support, but the attorney general's office claimed that Fisher still owed $11,450, approximately 3 year's worth of back support payments from the time of the child's birth until the time of the paternity test.[22] State officials have stated that this is because Fisher failed to file a court motion to relieve himself of financial responsibility to the child, and that Fisher is thus regarded as the legal father and responsible for child support.[22]

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Exactly, I'm actually reading a french book written by a traditional woman, her name is Lucie Choffey and the book is called "L'effroyable imposture du féminisme", that means "the frightful imposture of feminism", and she clearly sees and exposes all the things we are talking about.

Edit - This was the original comment that we were answering:

It's also a war on traditional women. The moment that the feminists get whiff that you dare question their man-hating, family destroying, patriarchy blaming rhetoric they turn on you like wolves.

One of feminist's biggest enemies are women who are happily married with children. Because how can they espouse how evil all men are, when there are women out there being provided for and taken care of by these so-called evil men? How can they convince the masses that the patriarchy is oppressive when Susan the Soccer Mom is having a blast at her weekly luncheon and getting her hair and nails done, all financed by hubby?

They hate the traditional family. That's not new news. But they've shifted gears and are now going after the wives and mothers in these traditional families. They couldn't get us to join their "cause", so now they'll resort to name-calling and childlike tantrums in an effort to hurt our feelings and make us feel bad about ourselves.

And the answer to my comment that was deleted as well:

Oh, what an excellent suggestion! My husband speaks French and is very anti-feminism as well. This is something I think he would really enjoy.

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feminism > women "liberation" > sexual "freedom" > contraception and abortions > hypergamy unleashed > divorces skyrocketing (more than 70% initiated by women) > children living without their fathers > families destroyed > new generations lost

Feminism was not about empowering women, it was about taking them out of the home to double the amount of taxpayers and cut wages by doubling the supply of workers.

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Yes, another valid reason, I tend to think that women are used as puppets by social engineers whose objective is to have more slaves and therefore to earn even more money.

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But you can't denny someone a safe space, no matter how horrible or toxic they are.

I disagree. Allowing radical communities to isolate themselves and their members and talk themselves into ever more extreme rhetoric and beliefs is how we get incel mass shooters. Like Elliot Rodger, who was openly celebrated in the incel family of subs for acting out what they preach here.

If there were a way to protect the speech of marginalized people while preventing the existence of domestic terrorist breeding grounds like this one, I'd be all for it. I can't think of any though, so the continued existence of these fringe communities (despite the certainty that they'll continue to push their occasional member into violent suicide) is an acceptable cost for the good of people who need and benefit from their own safe spaces. I just don't think that we should treat the existence of these incel communities as a good or neutral thing. It sucks, there's just no way to protect them from themselves which doesn't also harm other people.

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Are you being serious about wanting to help? If so, spend some time and get yourself educated on why MGTOW are making the choices they are making. That is the only way you can reintegrate "Incels" into your world.

Here is a link to help get you started: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9h51g6/father_arrested_for_not_paying_child_support/

There are very extreme and very real atrocities being committed to men that people ignore. If it was any other group of people there would be public outrage and media support, but because it's just men in general and men were gasp the "oppressors" it's casually downplayed and ignored. So men respond with very real responses to these very real problems.

You're not going to change our minds on anything you say. Unless you show absolute support and utter interest in changing even a single one of these issues you are our enemy. You cannot shame anyone here. You cannot change anyones minds. You cannot change our anger. You cannot make us go back because we want nothing to do with you or this society.

So unless you're here to pledge your allegiance you can kindly fuck off. You are dead to us.

Understood?

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