Alright folks where to start, this one is tough to type and the paws are shaking as I'm doing it. As it says in the title, me and my fiancee (ex?) are 34 and 27 respectively, have been together for nearly four years overall and are a year engaged. I'll be totally honest here, just before we got engaged she had an emotional affair with a bloke that she worked with (I only found out because one of her friend's BF contacted me and said that he overheard the friendgroup discussing it). I confronted her at the time, and after a good bit of arguing and hassle, we came to an agreement to let it go. I'll be totally honest in saying that I'm still slightly in the process of getting over that particular incident, and it discoloured my view of her. I manned up, moved on and proposed (which I had planned on doing anyway). This is just to give an overall context here and indeed to let it be known that there has been issues in the past.
Fast forward to recent time. We are due married in November (travelling abroad for it with family), and back around october she started acting a bit odd. Distant, not herself, away with the fairies. Even stopped having sex, which was very strange. I put it down to stress around organising the wedding, and the fact that we had moved flat. Forward to Christmas time, and now things are coming to a head. I confronted her straight up, and she set out that she was sorry, has just been stressed. I was very considerate, and tried to help her through it.
However, it basically continued on ebbing and flowing throughout the next two months, up to yesterday. I arrived in from work last night, and she says that she wants to talk. The vibe was bad guys, I could tell. We sat down and she set out that she had been reading, and that she wasn't having second thoughts about the marriage, but the 'nature' of our relationship. At this rate I was getting a bit agitated, and demanded that she come out with what the bloody hell she meant. Basically, a few of her friends had back in October (the times matched up) conveyed to her the idea of an "open relationship"...........basically they stay with their blokes and have one night stands on nights out if they fancy. I'll be honest, the idea made me ill. I said this to her, and she asked to be heard out. Pulled out some online blog post by a blogger who had a husband and live-in boyfriend........I got half way through and told her enough of this nonsense. I wouldn't consider myself old-fashioned, but a wife or fiancee bonking other men will never be in fashion, not in my world anyway. We got into a fight, and in the end she was begging me to give it a chance and that nothing is set in stone. I basically said that I needed some headspace, and that I'd spend the weekend at my mates. It was quick after that, and I left without a fuss. I'm typing this on my mates laptop, and am in a bad mental way atm. I am seriously considering calling the whole thing off, both relationship and wedding. I suppose if anyone has been in a similar place I could do with some advice
TLDR; Me (34m) and fiancee (27f), she asked for open relationship and I am fuming.
[–]strongandhappy111 points112 points113 points (8 children) | Copy Link
When did manning up start meaning to take it up the ass for someone who doesn't deserve it? He is DAMN lucky she ASKED for this BEFORE the wedding, as she has already proven what a selfish, remorseless cunt she is. This could easily have turned into years of cheating behind his back followed by divorce rape and loss of children. He just needs to GTFO.
[–]newyorker181820 points21 points22 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Blows my mind so many intelligent, successful, professional men get swindled by these women. The writing is on the wall for Christ sakes, women aren't even hiding it anymore. I can't wait for the "infidelity rights" marches.
[–]mkultra334 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
They were never smart to begin with, only thoroughly indoctrinated. Most of the worlds knowledge is "artificial" and not truly based on the real conflict of the world at hand.
[–]OldRoad3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone is a product, at least in part, of the knowledge that is available to them, and importantly the knowledge that is NOT available to them. Not having important information, and not even knowing that you are missing out on that information, can lead to a person having a completely different life, sometimes a much lower standard of living.
For a lot of people, when they want to understand something, they look to the mainstream, like the best-selling mainstream book on something. There is an assumption that the mainstream is usually principled, and that the ideas in the mainstream (and the ones not there) are decided in good faith.
I wasted a LOT of time in the dating world, years ago, being pretty confused and uninformed about how it all worked, and why my experiences were the way that they were. Every single mainstream dating advice book that I ever read was pretty worthless about explaining what I had experienced in dating. Only when I started reading MGTOW-related material did I start reading romantic relationship ideas that explained my experiences -- and think about this, for a lot of people, they would never consider reading MGTOW-related material because it's not what the mainstream features.
As for "open relationships," in my opinion, that sounds like one of the biggest new "rip-off" ideas out there. It sounds like NOT being in a romantic relationship, while also possibly still helping one's "ex" financially. Indeed, I'm thinking that's probably why a person would ask for an "open relationship," rather than just breaking up -- they probably want to keep "convenient" parts of the romantic relationship (like a good household to live in and/or financial help) without the responsibility of being not supposed to cheat. I hope that, most of the time, when someone is presented with the idea of an open relationship, that they get out of that romantic relationship as quickly as possible -- because I believe that, in most cases, that relationship has actually already ended anyway.
When a person is presented with arguments challenging the idea of open relationships, I believe that very few people would accept them (other than those who want to cheat while keeping their serious romantic relationship). The sad thing is when regular people don't get to hear the idea challenged -- and may actually go ahead with an open relationship, for that reason.
[–]magx012 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude they still think women are monogamous and they still take them at their word like women don't lie constantly ("oh I'm just stressed I;m sure if you wait it out several months like a good boy it will magically get better").
These guys are lost when it comes to women.
[–]Bonesteel501 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Why? Because we WANT to believe it. thats how its so easy to fall for.
[–]panzerbier7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes the phrase "manning up" is what struck my eyes first, too. Since when is deciding to tolerate cheating and rewarding it with a proposal a masculine trait? Heavens. Better phrase would be "I wimped down".
[–]strongandhappy1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"We agreed that she wins and gets to do whatever she wants and I'm not allowed to disapprove."
Don't forgive those that don't apologize! (and apologies aren't sufficient for cheating anyway).
[–]MattFoley79[S] 62 points63 points64 points (8 children) | Copy Link
Why hasn't this guy ended it already?
[–]gantz_au87 points88 points89 points (5 children) | Copy Link
9 out of 10 chance that they'll get married, never speak of an "open relationship" again and she'll be fucking other dude behind his back until she's ready to divorce him and take him for all he's worth.
That's just the way it goes for most men.
[–]Sir_manalot28 points29 points30 points (1 child) | Copy Link
This.
Men are stupid.
If we men wanted to get the "nawalt" we wanted, we could. Just hold men above/equal to women and women submit.
But men would rather push other men down until women become corrupt enough to go out and physically kill men.
[–]NohoTwoPointOh7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women already get reduced sentences for killing men. One step away...
[–]NoThirst9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
...she already is...guaranteed.
[–]xinxinel2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this, she is fucking other guys already, just wants permission
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this is so sad
[–]Naru4odo23 points24 points25 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Say it with me... Beta Bucks
[–]cooltechpec5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Beta Bucks Never fucks
[–]MichealScarn9244 points45 points46 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, he is definitely going to marry her then lose half his assets within the next 12-24 months.
[–]RememberWhenEye6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't see that amounting to much for her. Not the brightest bulb with this one.
[–]tramese33 points34 points35 points (1 child) | Copy Link
At this point in 2k19, I don't give a shit for any man in a relationship.
It's a farce comedy at this point.
[–]OperativeOne10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
All those replies where people are talking about how she's this and she's that... as if any woman is any different.
Don't they understand AWALT?
How many cuckings does it take for men to notice the pattern?
[–]53withtrollhair23 points24 points25 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She is already getting the strange my friend. See what happens after you are married and she steps out here-
https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/aw7d5g/so_you_wanna_get_married/
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points (2 children) | Copy Link
What a mistake on her part, if she had just laid low for a while she would've got half his stuff. Now she might not get any :O
[–]OperativeOne10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She already cucked him once, and he "manned up" and dropped it.
Whaddaya bet the same plays out again.
I bet she got this.
A few crocodile tears and a bj later, and he'll be right back at her, rationalizing how this experience has made their relationship even stronger and be only further emboldened in his conviction to wife the sloot up.
Weak men are weak.
Women know it, and get away with it more often than not, which is why they keep doing it.
[–]DeMeza0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They’re both “stupid”.
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If she asks, she was already sucking dick on the side
[–]saaralgris6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
There should be no considering, just end it bro!
[–]crypto-mgtow4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I would have ended it on finding out about the emotional cheating. In fact, that's precisely what I did.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, that huge red flag was flapping right in front of beta Billy's face, he should have shut the whole thing down right there, but he pushes on with the engagement!
[–]koldkillah837 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This makes me sick. I’m actually mad at this dude more than the girl.
[–]mattmanoblot4207 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
A sucker really is born every 60 seconds good luck with your cuck marriage pussy boy should've left at the first sign of cheating
[–]PerfectNemesis6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This man doesn't understand that he has ZERO leverage here. Men have no leverage in these situations. She can find another simp to replace him the next week. If they get married, its only a matter of time before she cheats and divorce rapes him. This guy is not willing to cut his loss because he has more to lose than her. Its a rigged game and the only way to win is to walk away.
[–]Helikzhan6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If she's begging him now it means she's been at it for years and only now that marriage is approaching feels she needs validation from this man she intends to live with the rest of her life.
If he had any brains he would have left her years ago when he initially realized she was looking for a better deal.
[–]bk68305 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
And to solve the problem of a women already cheating on him after only three years, he decided it should a good idea to give her a ring. Perfectly logical. Brilliant.
WTF!
[–]blobsa6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
cant wait to hear what happens in part 2
[–]TheRealEyesWideOpen6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Before ending it, he should have said - “Hey, that’s great. I think I’m going to try and fuck your best friend or your sister. Care to join us?” Then hear the Hamster wheel Spin. 🐹
[–]TheNewAge21472 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly tho if I am approached under the same situation I would just say okay and good fuck other chicks. When she thinks everything is okay I would probably fall in love with another girl because guys can fall in love easily unlike girls who need to take time to commit and find the best partner for them. Letting her think that he might commit his finances and resources to another girl would create a great deal of leverage. It's using instincts to fight against her.
[–]DeMeza1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
In a similar situation I’d play it cool and say: “I’m glad you asked. There’re a couple women that I’ve been thinking of fucking. And now you’re giving me a “go ahead”, right?”
[–]bk68305 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
And to solve the problem of a women already cheating on him after only three years, he decided it should be a good idea to give her a ring. Perfectly logical. Brilliant.
WTF! Really?
[–]UnKnownSurviving3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, what the fuck! Is he serious?! That's just disgusting. I cannot believe the guy lost his balls. He should ended it! Not give in to the fucking cuckfest wife.
Very disgusting for the guy to lose his pride as a man.
[–]smfuel874 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Jesus fucking christ, if you don't pull the rip cord on that shit like fucking yesterday, I'll personally hunt you down and kill you Liem Nieson style for being an idiot.
J/K dude but get the fuck out now. You should have left over her first fuckup. She's already fucking someone else. Take your balls (money) and go home. Find someone else worth a shit. Take it from someone paying two decades of child support at half of my income to a cheating cunt. Once she leaves you and uses the government to fuck you, you're fucked and no one will care about or help you. Believe fucking me. Use your power while you still have some. You should have dumped her on the spot after that conversation. She just wants your beta bucks and that alpha unemployed gang banger felon dick on the side. She's only playing nice right now because you haven't signed a contract with her. As soon as that marriage contract is signed and the kids are out, she'll drop the nice shit immediately and use the government to extort you of your income now that she doesn't even have to manipulate you anymore. The police will do it for her. How are you going to feel when she kicks you out of your own house and takes half of your income and moves one of her alpha fuck buddies into your own house to eat your food, be your kid's new daddy and fuck your wife all while the police and court system essentially tie you down and force you to watch and pay for it all?
[–]MattFoley79[S] 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Just an FYI... I crossposted this from r/relationshipadvice. I am definitely not engaged to a THOT who wants an open relationship. Definitely appreciate the sentiments though.
[–]smfuel872 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. Fo sho. Really less for you and more for cucks and thots trolling this sub.
[–]ScottyHoliday5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He's a clown and a cuck for the 'ex(?)' part. Idiot.
[–]user_miki4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She already fucking other dudes for months.Why he thinks she refused sex.She had it from somewhere else.
[–]SuperSaiyanBroly7374 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
This beta soyboy thinks she stopped having sex (due to stress). She stopped having sex with him, but she continued getting banged by Chad.
Bitch is asking for a retro-permission for the affair she already has been having with Chad.
[–]TheNewAge21471 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Tbh beta or alpha it doesn't matter. Girl will cheat on you no matter which one you are.so many tough soldiers get cucked
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Calls for an open relationship BEFORE they're even married? SETTLER ALERT! Eject now!
[–]Riley_exe2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
if he marries her, then it's probably the soy levels in his brain caused the stupid decisions, which wouldn't surprise me
[–]binkerfluid2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
...shes already doing it or at the very least has someone in mind who is a moment away from it
[–]gaia20082 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m gonna take your resources and fuck other guys, Get rid of it now. And be sure to tell the truth as to ehy
[–]TheNewAge21471 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If the relationship is open I would not for a limited resource relationship as well. You will only get my money Everytime we fuck. Therefore when in an open relationship ship, I will commit my resource to whomever fucks me and thus your access to my resources will be limited from now on.
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[–]DeMeza1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
In my opinion, one of the most important aspects of MGTOW is men learning to stop thinking that they’re only worth something insofar that they “sacrifice” themselves, e.g. “man up”. In this day and age, it’s a losing strategy. Men should start putting themselves first.
[–]Martymacfly5101 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
im sortry to say but that relationship is OVER! unless you want to end up watching her get gang banged just to get your annual blow job
[–]seattlemgtow1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
GTFO
[–]MethaCat1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think this post was on the wrong sub from the start, a sub dealing with mental health would be more appropriate.
Why would he marry a woman that doesn't feel any kind of remorse on cheating? What is marriage to her other than a free ride to life as long as some stupid blue pilled beta pays for everything.
[–]MoneyOverHoes31 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Did anybody refer the guy to MGTOW? I know people will get banned immediately for posting that on that Cucked subreddit, but I just really hate seeing men wifing these Thots in 2019.
Oh well - have to accept the fact some guys are too stupid to be saved.
[–]thecherry941 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Different week, same story. It's always the same fucking story.
[–]e7IDestiny0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
divorce,this woman will just ruin your life even more,she doesn't care about you,its obvious
[–]robowriter0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It was before it began. Win. Your probably not making enough money or have estate prospects, and the usual. Dodged a bullet.
[–]synchronicity90 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Soon as she asked the question I would say get the fuck out.
[–]LJHova0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
First, praise to the peripheral dude who is a real man and let this guy know what was up a few years ago.
Second, this guy seems to be confused about the definition of being a man. Nowhere in that definition does it say that you proposed marriage to an Unfaithful woman.
Third, this chick clearly has issues because she's cheating repeatedly. My guess is that these are the only times he knows about and that there were many others in between.
4, what's with this open relationship.? All that means for a woman is I want a man to support me financially while I f*** around. For a man, there's nothing but risk in that scenario and no Advantage. He's better off staying on the dating Market.
[–]drunkoldman580 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Considering calling it off???? Holy shit man, you had red flags with this so called emotional relationship and most likely a few before that and your still in this!!! Wow.
[–]laptopdragon0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
remember, you're lucky she told you. Once you got married, she can fuck whoever she wants, then divorce you b/c you no longer make her happy, then you get thrown out of your own house, and she can continue to fuck 9 guys a week.
It's likely that she's already been with other men and is also confused why you're not blindly following her.
I dare you to (briefly, pretend) make a 180degree on this, and support her. Say something like "yah, I thought about it and you're so right, it's great" and see if she admits that she's already been with rando's the whole time. It might surprise you by what you find. It wouldn't surprise me though.
I bet she's already planning a divorce party.
[–]magx010 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Manning up just means following the female written script. Acting in their interests despite your own.
No thanks.
[–]Chat_Bastard0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women NEVER really want an open relationship, you were basically told that she wants to cuck you, that's what women think an "open relationship" is. She would make your life a living hell if you started actually seeing another woman. I've see this over and over again and experienced it myself.