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[–]roxon89146 points147 points148 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Well, we can open the negotiations with that.
So what are you offering in return?
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[–]youarewastingtime5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for making me laugh
[–]keyonee901 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
😂 dead af
[–]Samuraidweeb45 points46 points47 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Attitude and a stank hole.
[–]BrettBrooks2118 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely nothing.
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[–]ThrowThrowThrone5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Did you know you can get your dick sucked for literally nothing?
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[–]ThrowThrowThrone4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh man you got me so good. Guess I'll just become a virgin because I got owned so hard.
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[–][deleted] 83 points84 points85 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That ship has sailed, never to return.
[–]bentzernaumal51 points52 points53 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Chivalry is dead and feminism killed it
[–]TheGreatEvil6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a woman hears: chilvary is dead, you need more feminism.
[–]XavierMalory47 points48 points49 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Right after you do away with everything Feminism brought forth to destroy the "real" date.
Then ill buy you dinner
[–]NickTesla201844 points45 points46 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
From my experience, most modern women are shit and deserve none of the above.
[–]GottaGoMGTOW5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yup
[–]TheTastelessBatman4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'd rather buy a homeless man dinner than spend a dime on these stupid modern women.
[–]oirectine001 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True story:
Every homeless woman I have ever donated money to asked for more.
One of them followed me around trying to get me to stop at an ATM.
One of them randomly came up to me, put a ring in my hand, and tried to demand payment for it.
I have never seen a homeless man pull this shit.
[–]TheTastelessBatman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. That is indeed sad. I guess one of the reason they are homeless could be the fact that they have the entitled mentality and believe the world owes them.
I was referring to genuine homeless people who probably got that way due to a thot or some other reason out of their control.
I have indeed come across a lot of people who just want money for drugs. When they come to me asking for food, I ask them to join me at a restaurant and I'll pay for the bill. Most would decline and dissappear. Sad world.
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another example of women's lack of understanding that actions have consequences.
[–]richbeezy30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope, dont wanna get #metoo’d. Ya’ll fucked up with this Harpie bull shit movement and now you get to reap what you sow.
[–]DangZagnut28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pussy privilege revoked.
Oh you wanted an appetizer? Give me a blowjob.
[–]BonelessSkinless13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Give me two fucking blowjobs while we're at it. These fucking wenches have been sitting there for years getting free dinners and good treatment to the point even fat ugly landwhales expectations are astronomical. Yeah no, bye.
[–]tramese26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you can go fuck yourself.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men don't owe you shit.
[–]Svartanatten24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ladies can still be treated like that. If they weren't extinct.
[–]mongolian_usa20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would rather personally live thru the last 20 minutes of Braveheart than take a leech out on a date.
Open your own dammed doors!
Harvest your own plant reproductive organs!
NO!
[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For fuck's sake you said you wanted equality. Make up your minds.
[–]zubbs9912 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They killed it. Took decades to do it, but it dead.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we bring back the old women who new their place took care of domestic duties, and did not say no to their Men. Ya know the submissive respectful kind.
[–]Tsukikoselenia7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No².
This being said even if you did that, you'd be getting kicked in the nuts extra hard as a result, as most of us that were BP in the past probably know.
They say this kind of crap, like the random flowers and gifts, but in the end they don't want it and don't even judge it as "something date-related" and it will not get you ANY extra point and will NOT make the woman faithful at all, quite the opposite. They just like the idea because it's a good way to get ressources/attention/whatever they want from orbiters without responsibilities.
[–]BonelessSkinless3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Don't think or expect anything is going to happen because you gave me a footrub, paid my Bills, put gas in my car, took me out for lunch and dinner and treated me excellently all day. I'm gonna go fuck that asshole I've been complaining to you about for a couple weeks now, byeee"
Go your own way men.
[–]SavvyMillennial7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
women hate flowers, they will throw it in the trash and fuck chad on a busted couch with cigarette and piss stains everwhere
[–]gettinglittytitty5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If we bring back consistent deep throating then sure
[–]ThrowThrowThrone2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think deepthroating may be newer than you think. Blowjobs are relatively recent in general - mostly consistent with the advent of regular hygiene upkeep.
[–]gettinglittytitty0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
explain
[–]ThrowThrowThrone1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm pretty sure I just did.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whenever women are ready to be women again, we’ll be waiting.
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[–]Mr_Lonesome11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for your comment. Too bad many of your sister kind do not agree. I honestly believe if you are sincerely and genuinely real, you and all those other Jane Does out there who think the same and are hiding, quiet in the background of obnoxious 21st C. women, need to lead the revolution to restore the social contract between the genders.
Sorry to place the burden on you but only you can fight feminism and gynocentricism and media/courts female favoritism. Only you can bring back respect and end disposability of men. And do more than reddit comments but do so with a gesture, an act, start the dialogue with your sister kind and challenge male white knights and orbiters, write OP-ed articles, draft manifestos, begin a Twitter campaign, etc., etc..
But forgive me, ma'am, I and many here won't hold our breath for such a revolution. Else we will suffocate. We know the female kind and have dissected her down to atoms and molecules. We are pained to report, that she has hardly evolved to a higher form of consciousness in thousands of years of civilization.
[–]inquisitiveLunyTune4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's hard to put other women in check in general because many think they can do no wrong and the victim mentality is so ingrained and enforced by everyone, some will fight you until your soul has been sucked out, and some of them will viciously attack you for going against them. Just talking about an abusive mother sends many people into panic mode, hence some of us live in silence, it gives me major anxiety sometimes just speaking on behalf of children, about mothers with personality disorders, the pedestal of motherhood is probably one of the most psychologically shattering ideals to break. There's a lot of toxic shit on here but there are few places where you can actually talk about female toxicity, it's just not being addressed in an open manner with honesty, and women need to be checked, everyone does, we are suppose to check each other anyone can go out hand, particularly personality disorders need to be checked because they cause so much harm especially to vulnerable people. Just spending some time on r/raisedbynarcissists, you witness some of the horrific stuff some people experience at the hands of their parents, and sometimes it's the mom who is the abuser, who violates sexually, physically, mentally, emotionally.
[–]worldiscrazy20190 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Again, how do you reconcile all of this with the fact that many men will resent a woman who doesn’t have sex with him immediately, yet he will slut shame and hate her if she does?
You’re acting as if men are perfect and flawless.
[–]Tsukikoselenia0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point is that in our ego-obsessed world this kind of gesture is doomed to be abused and, even if it isn't, will make the other person too used to it. Women start to take it for granted and may even start to devalue you for this. As much as we're supposed to be "bitter misogynists" for most pretty much all of us were way closer to the idiot blue pill drugged by disney since early childhood than we were to the "wife beater" before, so we know this matter very well. More than enough experience.
Even without the guy "being expected to do it" this kind of crap is destructive nowadays because once something becomes normal, it doesn't give the same "dopamine rush" to the other person anymore and results in less less gratefulness, after all "it's normal for the person to do this", and if the other person feel like it, worst case scenario, it will be turned into you "trying to manipulate the woman by being nice". The efforts done by someone will be used as something to accuse the person for.
The "equality" talk is pointless because social roles will always exist no matter what, that's a fact, the best one can do is to move them from one point to another, so it's not a matter of the man or the woman having to do it. But "expecting" anything at all is dangerous and is a slippery rope similar to a drug addiction, even moreso in a culture driven by narcissism and social medias putting everyone in a competition. You should expect other people to treat you the way you treat them because that's how society and social relationships work, and that's about it.
Do you see sex as a romantic gesture that should only be shared after there is trust and loyalty earned on both sides?
Because I guarantee most of the men here would hate a woman who would make them wait any longer than the first or second date.
How do you figure that into the equation?
[–]Fly_Guy_974 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck no. Can we bring back loyal, honest, and genuine women even every once in a while?? No??? Then fuck off
[–]NotLuceBree3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Inspire me to do it, cunt.
You can't.
[–]worldiscrazy20191 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She wouldn’t bother when she could get on Tinder and find 1000s of men better looking than you who are willing to do all that and more. Supply and demand.
[–]fuckyouredditx24 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope! I'm kind of enjoying this never ending stream of broke bitches sucking dick for party money.
[–]ApeGoesBananas3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can we bring back women sucking dick for no reason?
[–]worldiscrazy20192 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some do. Men degrade them and call them sluts, while marrying and committing to women who have never and will never suck their dicks. Then they complain that they don’t get blowjobs. Reality is stranger than fiction.
[–]mentalidade_logica2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Chivalry is Oppressive", The Feminists.
Chivalry is dead because women killed it and then screamed about equality and independence.
Well, there you go. You're independant enough to open your own doors and buy your own fucking flowers and dinners too.
[–]Profitglutton3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But women hate those guys though...
[–]MrMannheim2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope.
You do those things and she'll call you a creep, wierdo, and oppressive.
Let them stew in the misery they concocted.
[–]MGTOWPOLITICS3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Minion Quotes
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Sure, if you want to go back to your gender roles too. No voting, no financial independence, no disobeying your husband, no sexual "liberation", etc. Sounds good?
[–]grewapair1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What every post wall woman wants betabucks to do for her, without realizing that no one is going to do any of that for her ever again. Corollary to where have all the good men gone?
[–]BP-471 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism killed chivalry and it's not coming back.
[–]CrestfallenWolf1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As I am the "real man" y'all been asking for, NO. I do not participate in benevolent sexism. Take your internalized misogyny and GTFO BeeeeOTCH!!
[–]fwoomer1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, ladies. That’s what got me into trouble in the first place, over 20 years ago. Never again.
Well, maybe again, if not only you, but the government starts treating me like I matter. But we both know that’s not going to happen, so no. Just...no.
[–]JesusWhatIsThatSmell0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can women stop being entitled little cunts?
[–]krenovinspired0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
how many unearned rights are you willing to give up? Right to vote? Quota hires? Courts awarding you the assets of the man you trapped .... uh .... married? Actual 50-50 physical custody of kids without the ability to make decisions without the consent of the father? How about if you poke holes in condoms, the dude you tried to trap can tell you to get lost?
Tell us, "ladies", what the fuck do we get in return?
[–]sam123cherif0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we kill modern day feminism ?... No, then open that door yourself, we split the bill, and flower ?seriously ? Do you know how fucking expensive they are, also taking nothing if a divorce occur or else It's a big fat, NO !!!
[–]sedstar0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no we cant... *next question*
LMfAO...
[–]Puig_Destroyer0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha, yeah fuck you.
[–]QuantumSanta0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to open doors for women, no longer. They look at you like you are a potential rapist.
[–]rooster-one40 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we bring back a woman knowing where the kitchen is and having some sort of training on how to use it, how to clean at least to a mediocre standard, being nice and considerate, and not raising kids to be entitled as fuck?
[–]Soaraye0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't see the title but read the post and I straight up said haha no. I see great minds think alike friend. Have a good day, you've earned my upvote.
[–]S1ck0m0d30 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bring back real women like in the 30's and 40's, not the blue-haired land whales like today.
[–]BlackBoxInquiry0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck. No.
They have tracked it for themselves....wanted their cake and to eat it too...
No longer.
Ciao for now!
[–]Astral-Projector0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No
[–]ProudOutLoud0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The title beat me to it
[–]bobik3140 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are free to do this
[–]ConnorGracie0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Taking women" and people say rape culture isn't real.
[–]geckorisk0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why would I treat a whore with respect?
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that‘s why everyone hates the Minions
[–]GizmoRazaar0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, once you quit it with the divorce rape, demeaning behavior, and sexual assault allegations. Oh, no deal? K.
[–]NosAstraia-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why do none of you realise that its as easy as being a nice, decent human being to a woman? You say all this crap about them, say all they're good for is blowjobs and domestic duties, then wonder why none of them like you? Try treating her like a person, maybe you'll get somewhere.
[–]oirectine003 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I've been a nice, decent person to a woman. I still am. I reserve my vitriol for this subreddit.
You know where being nice and decent gets you? "You're nice, but..."
And then you might think "But you can still be friends", but they don't even want that.
Women are not attracted to nice. They are attracted to nice's resources.
[–]NosAstraia-3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women are attracted to genuine niceness, not sexual advances disguised as niceness. They are smarter than this subreddit gives them credit for, and are more than aware when men have an alterior motive. Next time, try listening to what comes after the "but...", because the reasoning behind her being unavailable may have nothing to do with you, and if it does have something to do with you, maybe it could be used for some personal reflection.
In regards to you saying that women rarely want to be friends, that tends to be because the reaction to rejection can take the form of cursing and name calling, in which case they obviously won't want to be your friend, and you've simply proven them right in assuming you had an alterior motive.
Finally, women are not attracted to "resources". Are there shallow women out there? Yes, but they're the minority, just as there are shallow men. Women respect stability, thus they respect a man with a job - that doesn't need to be as a tech mogul or wolf of wall street type! A good job can be working in a call centre, or a fast food chain, as long as you show commitment and a good work ethic, because when choosing a potentially lifelong partner, you want someone you know is stable and able commit longterm.
And regarding the original post, women are allowed to like having a door held open or having flowers bought for them. NOT because they are the weaker sex, or because they want men to be their slaves, but because it shows thoughtfulness and consideration for them as a person. I'm sure at work tomorrow, if a woman was to hold the door for you, would you not think "oh, that was nice of her?". But again, don't use politeness against a woman and expect a certain response in return. Politeness is a courtesy that all people should generally have for others, it does not mean you are owed anything. If she doesn't smile or thank you, instead of getting angry and assuming its because of you, or because shes a terrible person, maybe take a minute to remember that she is a person with her own life. Maybe her close family member is in the hospital and she's in a hurry, maybe she blew a big sale at work, maybe in her head she's going over a presentation she needs to give later.
Please understand that women don't hate you, they dont hate you if you're short, or if you're overweight, or if you have acne. Next time you want to get to know a woman, try listening to the things she says. Instead of assuming theres some hidden meaning behind her words that you need to decipher, just hear what she's saying. Is she talking about her problems, her taste in music, her day? If you hear her and care about what she says, that is how a genuine conversation begins.
None of these things come from a place of judgement, I'm trying to help.
[–]oirectine004 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
You're assuming I am kind as a form of a sexual advance, yet I am kind to everyone I meet, male or female.
You're assuming I don't listen. The fact that I do listen is the reason I "attract" women in the first place. They unload their problems on me. I have a post in my history about a disastrous experience I had with a single mother friend I took out to give her a break from her hectic life. I wasn't expecting sex. I wanted to genuinely do a good thing for someone I felt sorta bad for. What I got was nearly 12 hours of constant, CONSTANT complaining about "asshole men" that she can't help but feel madly attracted to.
I did every thing you suggested here. I listened to her and gave her the benefit of the doubt. I offered advice and suggestions to her problems. I validated her fears and concerns.
This wasn't an isolated case either. I have dated women who told me I was the only decent guy on OKC, complained about unwanted sexual advances for an hour, then dumped me because I didn't have enough money.
When I confided in a female friend that I felt dating was hopeless and that I was done making the effort and that women should make a bit of effort to convince me they're worth the hassle, she flew off the handle, called me Elliot Rodgers and an "incel" and said "women don't owe you shit". Never mind the fact that I don't owe women free therapy sessions.
And herein lies one of my problems. A lot of nice guys are genuinely nice. Too nice. Not everything is a power play to get into women's pants. The end goal, if anything, is a loving, stable relationship, not just sex, and sometimes just a friendship, and for men, we are burdened with having to continuously show we're worth keeping around.
From my experience, women are not attracted to niceness. They like niceness when its a shoulder to cry on or a supportive friend, but they do little to reciprocate that niceness. Note that I am not talking about sex or a relationship here. I am talking about women who unload all their personal problems about "Why won't Chad committ?" or their baby daddy drama to men who are trying to be attentive and considerate and caring but are clearly being taken advantage of. Heaven forbid the man try and get a bit of support from the woman though. They up and leave.
I have ACTUALLY been dumped by a woman who said I was "too good". You know what the majority of what we talked about was on our dates? The assholes who messaged her and creeped her out.
Women will SETTLE with niceness, but will never be content with it. And as soon as niceness shows weakness, it's the "I never actually loved you" light switch effect and they leave and most likely get cash and prizes as a parting gift.
If women aren't about resources, why do they take the money in divorce cases every single time?
You know what makes being a kind, decent person all the more difficult? What makes us second guess our own intentions? People who insist every man is predatory and who insist (project, even) that every word and action WE take is a loaded question or a coded statement intended to manipulate.
I have female friends that are work acquaintences. I am civil with them and am well liked by all of them because I am a decent person. I just keep them at a comfortable distance because I am tired of being a therapist one moment and a social pariah the next.
I'd LOVE to talk to women about their interests and passions but they always steer it back to "My coworker is a bitch" or "That guy's an asshole. Why won't he ask me out?"
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She's chatting shit. Look at what they do, not what they say.
[–]NosAstraia-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm honestly really sorry that those are the experiences you've had with women, and I'm sure you won't believe anything I can say like "it's just sheer bad luck" or "not all women...", but I really genuinely hope that some day, someone will show you that really, not all women are like the ones you've experienced. They sound like they're trapped in a vicious cycle of toxicity, and I'm sorry that you have been dragged into it on these occasions. Also, I completely agree that talking about your problems to a friend, or unloading may be a better word, should be a two-way street. Of course you don't have to listen to someone who wouldn't do the same for you. I'm just really very sorry that this is your experience of women.
[–]oirectine002 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It's enough women.
When I meet a woman who actually takes an interest in me and my shared interests maybe I will change my mind.
When I meet a woman who takes an interest in me and actually means it and isn't just trying to get emotional labour out of me, maybe I will believe it.
But I am not wasting my time looking for such a person. I prefer to spend my time on activities and pursuits that build my self esteem and confidence rather than throwing time, money, and compassion and care into a void.
I have male friends who reciprocate and actually listen to me. I have learned through MGTOW that men are mostly loyal, and it is helping me, a former Ally that was pushed away in disgust, to realize that men are not evil, are not to be feared, and that "toxic masculinity" is actually the pursuit of women above all else, not things like resilience, inner strength, and stoicness: things I am slowly realizing I am capable of developing within me without a woman's help.
I am MGTOW for mental health reasons. People, especially women, seem to prey on people with low self esteem who have trouble saying "no".
And since the dating advice I would typically get is "You shouldn't be dating expecting someone to fix you", then I'm apparently doing you all a favour anyway.
[–]GueroLechero2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would argue that the plethora of single mothers, women abused verbally and physically by their SO, and number who are cheated regularly on would indicate women aren't interested in nice guys/good guys. I'd also throw in the 50% divorce rate, 70%+ of which is initiated by women. Clearly women aren't able to discern the good from the bad. Their intuition isn't as accurate as they think. They operate on feelz not reelz.
It's ok, though. Since women are the ones who opted out of the social contract, I have no pity for them or you. You can all experience what it's like to be a man, since it's what y'all wanted. You're not owed anything, just like we aren't. Welcome to equality. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
[–]Boopadoopaflorpglorp-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men will do that for virgins.
No women are virgins anymore though.
You can't have it both ways. There's nothing feminine or respectable about sleeping around, and everyone sleeps around now.
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