I think I an Incel, how can I make the transition to MGTOW?

gods_bones · 2017-12-15T01:58:13+00:00

Read up articles on the upcoming wave of super-STDs that have evolved to become drug-resistant and cannot be treated with any medication we have. It's going to sweep the entire world over within the next 30 years or less, and it's all 100% women's fault for slutting around everyday like it's their purpose in life. That will turn you from incel to volcel.

Gobc · 2017-12-15T03:03:29+00:00

1) Stop giving a shit about female external validation. 2) Get a pocket pussy/sex doll/porn and get that monkey off your back 3) Find activies and interests that YOU enjoy.

When you can honestly say you couldn't give a micro turd what anyone thinks about you because your too wrapped up in doing things that you want to be doing, you've become a MGTOW.

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2017-12-15T02:13:08+00:00

Here’s an odd suggestion. Cut out all your IRL social media. It’ll keep the Fakebook and Instathot girls and their orbiters out of your view.

All I have left is my LinkedIn and Pinterest. The rest of it is fucking cancer devouring civil society.

VanDriver1 · 2017-12-15T01:53:11+00:00

You have to ride the goat. MGTOW Initiation. We blindfold you and walk you around a room 3 times where you stop and squeeze titties in each corner, but don't tell anyone that I told you, it's a secret.

MMDT · 2017-12-15T01:48:29+00:00

Watch the Black Phillip show on YouTube , it will change your life

Kuforman · 2017-12-15T03:02:19+00:00

Don't be a white knight, tis all i ask. Make money, work out(makes you feel better+healthy),good diet, find some hobbies. Do anything you want and forget about women. Anytime you feel lonely just jerk off, and think to yourself. Do i really want some nagging bitch here with me right now? That's how i feel after i jerk off every time, that i'm glad I don't have some chick to deal with.

T0000009 · 2017-12-15T05:36:01+00:00

I have in the end no value on the sexual market place.

WHAT ABOUT

The knowledge marketplace
The skills marketplace
The talent marketplace
The charity marketplace
The wisdom marketplace
The experience marketplace
The friendship marketplace
The loyalty marketplace
The honor marketplace
The courage marketplace
The employment marketplace

And the million other marketplaces that men exclusively operate in. Do you really believe some piece of ass is worth more than your ability to fight off a fucking dinosaur, make a fire, and build a dam civilization !!

Stupid fucking kids....

Kawaii_Knight · 2017-12-15T03:47:41+00:00

Easy:

Stop being ashamed of your SMV. If you truly care do what you can about the things that are under your control, forget the rest.

Stop deriving your worth from female validation. Do shit for yourself, not for vapid hoes. Sex is overrated anyways, I’ll take freedom, peace and quiet anyday now.

You can’t be sent your way, that’s basically being an incel. Going your way is not a path, it’s a state of mind and you clearly haven’t reached it.

Other men were better than you? How so? Genetic lottery? Life ain’t fair, boohoo. Female validation? Again, when you’re MGtOW you genuinely won’t give a shit about them other than how they can be useful to you.

Not giving a fuck is the best kind of freedom. Can't help you there though, it’s up to you.

All I can say is in broad terms you need to get women off the pedestal, make yourself your number one priority and genuinely not give a fuck. Redpills help reach that state.

chadbhava · 2017-12-15T02:04:49+00:00

Do whatever you want just dont contribute to the matrix

2017-12-15T02:21:53+00:00

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Blix_the_Goblin · 2017-12-15T02:34:01+00:00

Let me tell you straight up, you are missing nothing. I mean, nothing. Modern dating is a crock of shit where people use each other for personal gain and you will either find yourself miserable or alone, and frankly the latter is the healthier and happier end result.

If you still truly desire a relationship, I'm not saying you should just give up entirely, but rather focus on self-improvement and the things you really care about. Contentment can only be found in the pursuit of personal goals and passions for their own sake, never the approval of others.

wawakaka · 2017-12-15T04:31:05+00:00

BOTH INCEL and MGTOW are a state of mind. you just have to cross over

you are already MGTOW you just have to accept it.

2017-12-15T01:51:12+00:00

Dude, you're in the right place. Let no one tell you different. Giving up that part of your life is all good. Try to see what some of the monks are up to here, how they cope with celibacy, how they cope with urges and desire.

Do you want to go no pmo as well?

PedanticPeasantry · 2017-12-15T02:21:16+00:00

Try to soak in some of the red-pill esque self empowerment self actualization mindset here and elsewhere.

Time. You have the benefit of having never ridden the dragon and therefore never having quite the same actual chemical addiction to attraction many do. With time and mindset you come to truly and deeply understand and feel that this way is more than just acceptable, it is in many many ways preferable.

Try to form some kind of future plan for yourself, where you want your life to go and what you want for yourself... Unless you are very attached to having kids as the ultimate life goal (and even that can be turned to a more general contributing to the next generation goal) you will find that women and relationships are at best a distraction from your goals and at worst a trap which will hold you from them.

RadicalAsceticMonk · 2017-12-15T03:04:54+00:00

You make yourself better, in whatever way you think you can succeed. Try different things, if you're not sure what you can do best, and set realistic short distance goals for yourself. For example, if you want to hit the gym, don't expect to become buff in just a few months, that shit takes years of careful workout (unless you cheat with steroids, but that'll cost you your health) and you can't speed it without straining and hurting yourself. If you want to get realization from studies, then pick a field that interests you and read about it, and don't give up on hitting a roadblock; seek help from academics and/or people in that area.

Remember: yours is the only judgement you have to pass to be happy. Don't let other people to tell you that you are failing.

ninjabaseballbatman1 · 2017-12-15T03:34:38+00:00

Look up some videos and get to the know the terms we use around here. Don't dive right in but learn as you go. You will see and start to understand why all the women you encountered did and said all those things. You will see it around you with people you know. And when you are truly awaken you will see these things all unfold right before your eyes and you will stop and think how messed up the system and society really is against men.

Its a long and winding road and its going to be tough but you need to stay strong. Its like revealing that everyone you were told since you were a child is a lie. Thats why so many guys here go through a redpill rage of acceptance.

Read and learn what you can and then you must decide to take a stand for yourself. Good look my friend.

reaper555 · 2017-12-15T05:40:35+00:00

Find a purpose that does not include women. Stop giving a fuck what people think. And live life on your terms. Go see a few hookers in Costa Rica. The value of pussy plummets when you realize that it’s not worth much.

oneofmany4 · 2017-12-15T03:23:24+00:00

Now, what do I do next?

Stop giving a fuck and start improving yourself in whatever ways you find fulfilling. Hint: They will have absolutely nothing to do with women.

I-am-the-lul · 2017-12-15T06:29:17+00:00

When you can understand and internalize the fact that women are just not worth the time and effort you waste trying to get them for yourself, you will have stopped being an Incel and discovered the freedom that MGTOW can bring.

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2017-12-15T09:34:45+00:00

YOu are only an incel in my book if you are still putting pussy on the pedestal and if you ask yourself: If a woman would present herself to me now, what will I do? And "Ignore her" is the answer, it means you aren't incel.. Incels still worship women and most are bitter cause they can't get what they want so badly. If you decided to just leave that shit behind, cause 1) it's too much effort, 2) Too much risk involved and 3) it's overrated anyway, then I'd suggest you are well on your way to be MGTOW

MethaCat · 2017-12-15T05:05:28+00:00

Many things in life look awesome when you don't have them, but in reality those things are never that great. Take a look at the dead bedrooms sub or just talk to some of the divorced people you know, I think that is a reality that is not taken into account when putting women on a pedestal. Try to find joy within yourself and with what you do, many things may change in your life, but if you got that right, you might be able to live your own version of a better life. MGTOW is to go your own way, whatever that is, no one can find it for you. Good luck bro.

justareflektorr · 2017-12-15T05:33:37+00:00

Its all about face and the 80/20 rule.

2017-12-15T05:41:57+00:00

Are you willing to push other people under the bus for being with the woman of your dreams? Maybe you're a virgin. Maybe you're ugly. Even unsuccessful. If you are, then guaranteed you are living life on hard mode.. but Why does it matter so much what other people think about you? What matters is being happy and at peace with yourself and who you are. In life you'll always be missing something. But this shit you're longing for isn't even worth it. There will be no need of a transition once you're content with what you have. There's so many better things to do in this limited life you've got than being in a business with no return on investment. I wish you luck.

2017-12-15T07:04:57+00:00

Thanks for your honesty.
You need to learn to stop being nice to women. It hasn't got you laid, so why keep doing it?

3.Third, get a prostitute to solve your celibacy.

Start going to the gym, you feel stronger phyiscally and mentally.

2017-12-15T07:36:33+00:00

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2017-12-15T09:48:58+00:00

Incel and MGTOW is not mutually exclusive. You can be Incel and decide you want to stop considering the lack of women in your life as a problem, and instead start regarding it as overall a good thing. Most men need some degree of affection in their lives and hence, many MGTOW still associate with women, but in your case you'll have to make do with a dog or something. That's life. Better a MGTOW with a dog than an Incel with a suicide wish. 24 is nothing, though. I was incellish until 27. Then I slept with approx. 70 women.

dayone_27 · 2017-12-15T11:30:25+00:00

Accept. Accept my man, accept your circumstances for what they are. Make peace with it while you go your own way. Once you truly accept your inceldom you can be free to be a champion in the myriad other avenues that life has to offer. Eventually you'll look back and think to yourself how foolish other men are to get depressed from not seeing vag.

SRod1706 · 2017-12-15T14:53:37+00:00

Yeah, welcome to the 80%.

Most importantly, stop rating or determining your value by what you have to offer women. That is probably the biggest difference between an incels and MGTOWs. Self worth is not defined by women for MGTOWs. I think all other differences stem from this one main difference. I think this is why incels seem to never get past the anger stage while MGTOWs can.

First, drop the idea that you are missing out on something. You are missing out on a few minutes of pleasure that cost you way too much to logically enjoy. The same as using crack or heroin or some other strong drug.

Next realize the need you feel for a woman is simply hormonal and not logical. I am still working on this. Jerk off twice a day for a month. Not to porn or fantasies as much as you can avoid them. Just push through and finish. You will be surprised how much your need for women decreases when you do this. After you come to terms with all men's illogical need for women, you can work on it. I am still working on it too, but understanding it will help.

stringedbeams · 2017-12-15T15:30:47+00:00

you could be involuntarily celibate (incel) and mgtow (I guess "incels" just had a culture though that was maybe more obsessed with women, while mgtow is more apathetic about women ... so maybe incel changes to vocel or mgtow are more voluntarily celibate or voluntarily disinterested in women - not all mgtow are "monks" or vocel/incel, but they are often voluntarily abstaining from interactions with women and marriage of course)

OldRoad · 2017-12-15T15:46:16+00:00

A. I suggest to stop judging your value based on your success at dating. Dating is just one part of a huge world. Which is more valuable to the world from you: (a) How well you do at dating?; OR (b) The skills that you have, the good that you can do in this world, how much you know, being a good person, etc.? I think it's pretty clear that (b) is more important to the world overall than (a). In my view, most people have a lot more control over (b) than (a), too. So, get working on (b) to be the best person that you can be, and quit putting yourself down over (a).

B. I also suggest to separate your attraction to women from your need to date or marry. I can find a beautiful woman to be attractive, just like many other guys can. But, from my past experiences, I have a pretty good idea that I'd have to put in a ridiculous amount of effort, time, etc., to even date a woman that I was barely attracted to, that wasn't trying to rip me off in some way. For my situation, it's just not a good deal. So when I see a beautiful woman, I can find her attractive, but I can also remember that I'm fooling myself if I think that someone like that is going to be truly interested in me, without myself working out for hundreds of hours, giving up much of my own free time, spending lots of money taking her out on expensive dates, buying an expensive house and car to try to impress, and so on.

C. Keep reading about other peoples' dating and romantic relationship experiences on here. I think you will learn a lot, and some of it may surprise you. For example, you may think that dating and/or marrying an attractive woman seems like the most important thing to do. But read about what has happened to some guys on this group in dating and marriage, even guys who can date attractive women easily. If dating is so great, how could such guys even be going MGTOW? The answer is that some guys who haven't dated a lot have a view they imagine of how great dating an attractive woman is, that often probably doesn't match reality. I was a guy that wasn't successful at dating, that finally got to have a serious romantic relationship with an attractive woman. Guess what? There's a reason she was willing to do that; she had a lot of serious personal problems, and my guess is that I was a guy that she thought would support her financially while she wouldn't have to fix her problems. When a guy realizes that he is in a situation like that, it's a horrible feeling, especially when the woman's personal problems start causing real problems in the guy's life as well (for example, starts causing him to go deeper in debt, etc.). Read the experiences of other guys here (you can even ask questions!), and LEARN! I think you'll find that some of your views of dating, etc., aren't necessarily realistic, and that they may not be helpful to you -- they may even be making you unhappy if you aren't where you want to be in the dating world.

It's like they say about buying a car -- you have to be willing to walk away from the car dealership, if they aren't being fair to you. Similarly, if the dating world isn't being fair to you, then I'd say to be willing to consider MGTOW. Compare that to forever chasing after something that you don't really see any reason to believe that you will ever get -- in my opinion, that is a recipe for being regularly frustrated and disappointed. Also, if a woman who is looking to rip a guy off sees that you are willing to give up so much just to date an attractive woman, you risk setting yourself up to be ripped off by a woman who is willing to do that.

It's easy for someone like you go MGTOW, just keeping reading and learning about it, and let your attitude about dating (and yourself) change. You don't have to actually do much work to change, other than reading and learning, and getting used to thinking differently. So, here's an example of how thinking changes with MGTOW:

BEFORE MGTOW: "I want to find my dream woman so much. But women don't seem to like me. What can I do? I'm so frustrated/disappointed."

AFTER MGTOW: "I'm still disappointed that the dating world doesn't work like how society tells people. But at least I understand it now. Finding a partner is only one part of this world, it's not the answer to everything, and the wrong partner can sometimes even create serious problems in a person's life. I have a realistic view of romantic relationships now, I don't HAVE to get into one, and I'll make important life decisions with my brain, looking out for myself (and relatives and friends). I can have confidence in myself now because I understand that success in the dating world is not based on fairness and actually is based on things that often aren't otherwise important (for example, not being bald); success in the dating world is actually a very poor measure of how good a person actually is.

I hope you find this advice helpful.

The_Law_of_the_Land · 2017-12-15T17:49:00+00:00

MGTOW is something you become, it's something you actively do.

INCEL are no better than women, they let the sexual market define who they are and what they are worth.

MGTOW have walked away from the notion of validation via sexual markets and value themselves as humans above all else.

GranUnic0rn · 2017-12-15T20:23:47+00:00

First of all, the other men were not better than you.

Women are literally the least able to judge how good or bad a man is, thus their negative judgement of you is actually evidence that you don't suck if anything.

Regardless, a man values himself over a cunt any day.

Also, I think most of the men here who actually fucked women will tell you that the overall experience was not really worth it.

I can tell you for sure that a 9.5/10 woman is not worth it and that she was the worst cunt I have ever met by a mile because she can get away with way more than the uglier ones. More power, less restraint.

I thought she was no normal in the beginning and to be fair she said she had daddy issues which I should have taken as my cue to leave but your penis tries to convince you really hard that she isn't insane and just 'misunderstood' or whatever.

1 or 10 they are basically the same. You think, wow, a woman who might actually not be a manipulative cunt and then you fuck her and it is instantly ruined because of course she is.

So wrong again Penis, fuck you, you are not helpful.

Trust me, if you approach the 30s you will be over it because it does not matter. You are honestly better off staying friends with them or not having them in your life at all until you want children (which is probably never). If you want children there is loads of option if you have the money and if you don't have a woman you'll have the money.

eltonl · 2017-12-15T22:21:02+00:00

I have in the end no value on the sexual market place.

who cares bro you are man, you have potential.

Now, what do I do next?

Nothing or whatever you want. You are free. You just dont know how to use your freedom. That's normal, Im trying to overcome that too.

Thats it. good luck bro.

Kawaii_Knight · 2017-12-15T02:41:57+00:00

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Title	I think I an Incel, how can I make the transition to MGTOW?
Author	Talon3259
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Date	December 15, 2017 1:47 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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