Intelligence can be a curse.

1791Lfan · 2017-11-23T18:07:05+00:00

True say.

Someone once called Einstein the smartest man in the world... He said "no, I am not" They asked 'how do you know' He said "If I would be the smartest man in the world, I would shoot myself everyday. As it is I find myself extremely frustrated with people. If I was any smarter, it would be unbearable, and I would probably shoot myself"

Or something like that...

SanJustSan · 2017-11-23T19:57:03+00:00

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.

-Nietzsche

DagonNaxos · 2017-11-23T17:58:50+00:00

Intelligence is a curse, most of the time. Am I thankful for my 150 IQ and my photographic memory and cognitive/troubleshooting abilities? Absolutely. They've taken me places I never thought I could ever go and allowed me to afford all kinds of toys and experiences that most people will never get.

However, the downside of that is never being truly happy or content with anything. It's miserable walking through life and not feeling like you belong to the human race, because you can't relate to The Kardashians or Candy Crush or Facebook. It sucks to feel like you are an alien.

protonexus1 · 2017-11-23T18:40:08+00:00

I don't even have a cell phone anymore. No Facebook. No twitter. No dating sites. I can't really relate to ordinary people anymore. I read books unlike most of the population. I'm constantly learning, which is how I stave off too much thinking.

tribalbandit · 2017-11-23T17:51:13+00:00

Acceptance is the doorway to fluidity. You got this man. The words you choose in so many of your posts reveal this about you. Thanks for another thoughtful post allowing others to read of things not often talked about.

bitter_samsara · 2017-11-23T18:20:08+00:00

Absolutely hit the nail on the head. I'd say a lot of red-pill ragers and incels probably rate pretty high in disagreeableness and intelligence. The rub is, you can also use that same intelligence to transcend that and actually appreciate reality while knowing it for what it is.

tonyosuala · 2017-11-23T19:12:53+00:00

This is true. The only antidote I've found is compassion. With compassion you can live the true nature of the human experience. Compassion for the short comings and failures that we all are. Compassion allows you to see pass all of that and appreciate the gift of this short and unpredictable life. Compassion is the true bliss.

BookusRecommendicus · 2017-11-23T20:05:50+00:00

The smarter you are, the more important it is to have a sense of (dark) humor. Otherwise your own mind will crush you.

2017-11-23T18:06:12+00:00

The burden of truth and knowledge is great indeed.

spralwers · 2017-11-23T20:15:26+00:00

I've run into this topic a lot and have thought about it. Here's my opinion. While there is intelligence in that form, there is also intelligence with using your intelligence.

I've fallen into this trap many times. Over-analyzing, and getting caught up in contradictions in morality. At the end of the day, we are emotional beings that have logic as a tool. Logic is like a really long double handed sword. You can get better at wielding it and swinging it, but you'll never be able to handle it like a feather. When I get stuck in these situations, I simply tell myself I'm at the limit of my intelligence and I stop worrying about it. I think intelligence becomes more of a risk the less aware you are of its limitations.

legitimatebacon · 2017-11-23T21:46:57+00:00

Intelligence is not a curse, caring what others think, do, and say is. Perfect example: Rick from Rick and morty. He as the correct levels of both genius, ambition, and a I don't give a fuck attitude.

MrBluePill · 2017-11-24T01:50:33+00:00

Intelligent enough to realise how fucked I am in life and too stupid to come up with ideas to do something about it.....as are many of you I suspect.

Randomateur · 2017-11-23T19:53:34+00:00

Posts like these makes me apreciate my average intelligence. I am able to just enjoy a day without too much overthinking an just beeing. But there is also a world i guess i will never see from inside the herd.

Helikzhan · 2017-11-23T21:44:18+00:00

IQ doesn't tell you anything about how other people get on or what constitutes objective happiness. As someone with an IQ of 132 I'd love for that to be the case but my feelings on that are tempered by the reality that I'd be wrong.

It's safer to assume there is no such thing as objective happiness and people do the things they do because their lives up to that point led them there. Yes, in that regard I am fatalistic.

Pack mentality is an interesting thing. We all do it. In fact we're doing it right now on this subreddit. It's incredibly easy to accept the views of others when yours align so closely with theirs. Otherwise humans all over the world would be engaging in conversations with people nothing like themselves. Pack mentality is the path of least resistance and most reward.

fmanly · 2017-11-24T03:26:35+00:00

I was listening to somebody talk on youtube on this very topic. I forget if it was Jordan Peterson, or maybe Stardusk/Coltaine/huMan/etc. It might have been an old video.

They were talking about the difficulty of forming friendships if you have a high IQ. If two people have an IQ that differs by more than 1-2 stdevs then it becomes very difficult for them to relate. They argued that having an IQ around 130 was in the sweet spot because you get most of the benefits of intelligence but a huge chunk of the population is in the zone where you can make friends/etc. On the other hand if your IQ is over 145 then you will of course have some significant cognitive benefits but only a percent or two of the entire population is in that zone.

For men to form friendships you usually need common interests, outlooks/etc. For example, a MGTOW probably would struggle to be best friends with a devoted feminist - they could of course choose to have polite discussion or work together but that isn't really friendship. So, even for a MGTOW of average intelligence the friendship pool in their local area isn't going to be huge (including other common interests/etc). If you take that small pool and then throw out 98% of it due to an IQ gap then you're essentially stuck being a lone wolf. Again, I'm not saying that somebody can't show up to a party/etc and make polite small talk, but that alone isn't going to lead to deep friendships.

Now, the picture isn't quite as bleak as I painted it because those variables aren't entirely independent. If your interests are more likely to be shared by somebody with a high IQ then you aren't tossing quite as many people out, and so on.

In any case, your observations certainly match my own. I have generally tried to back away from forums where a lot of debate goes on, because I feel like it is mostly a waste of time. The world is full of idiots - there is no way I'll ever change that so I'm better off figuring out how to make the most of my own life and just deal with the idiots when they creep in...

Chill-BL · 2017-11-24T10:43:30+00:00

Came towards the same conclusion somewhat, but I think it's for most aspects of life.

Being aware is a curse and a blessing at the same time. the blessing in the fact that you are an active agent in your choices and have the ability to make these choices accordingly. On the other hand knowing the rest can/will fuck it up along the way (if you let them). trying to drag you down in the comfort of the blue pill ideals and self indulgent nature.

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ShrunkenHed · 2017-11-24T02:00:16+00:00

I'm not saying all miserable people are intelligent. Nor am I saying misery is a prerequisite for intelligence. But who here can honestly say they know a single happy and intelligent person? I think I may know one person. A native american type who was cucked and raised a bastard. But I think his happiness is a facade more for himself than any outward projection attempting to convince others.

But genuinely, it's not a match I find often.

There's something about the way we live, or the very air we breathe, or the food we eat, that makes everyone in the modern day unhappy.

I don't meet many intelligent people and I don't consider myself among them by any measure. But on some level I see what they see long before the norm.

20 years ago I told my brother that if he has children, he better hope they're not girls, because that generation forward is going to experience a blowback from the actions of their foremothers. 10 years later, he had twin daughters. They're not even developed, yet, and I see them footing the bill that is arriving every day.

Am I intelligent for seeing this? No. It's just common sense. Even now people are just beginning to see what I knew decades ago, and they think they're on the hip-edge of some epiphany. MGTOW itself is an example of this.

I'm glad you mentioned philosophy, though. That seems to be a crucial facet that most people lack. By most people, I'd guess it's somewhere around the 98% mark. Maybe 2 out of a 100 people I get to know at any depth have this sort of quality about them.

So I've taken to viewing people and their antics as decor. They are simply ambient noise and movement, like rain or the wake in a body of water, that confirms life. Very few people make it further than that. So MGTOW is less about woman and more of an existential philosophy, encapsulating any situation in life in which I find myself. People are either fixtures in my life or decorations in my world, and those who make me choose make my choice easy.

So that's how I navigate my uncertainties. Simplification. If someone wants something from me, then they have to prove they're worth it.

I've often wondered what peace I might know if I could remove myself from my analytical nature and philosophy, and I do believe it would be quite sublime. But even recognizing that, I don't think I would give them up. I do not want to become the very things I despise, even if it would accrue happiness or at least contentment. I've given up on every being either, and that's okay.

There is much to despise about humanity, and that's never been truer than it is today. Everyone is created in a different vacuum of experiences. Some may never expect anything beyond their limited scope, no matter how much leading or teaching one might provide simply because the interest doesn't exist. Self awareness is painful, and can even be fatal when one realizes that what they find simply cannot translate into what they desire. That can destroy or harden a soul.

There are, I am guessing, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of men out there who recognize the liberty afforded by MGTOW, for example. But could they ever truly walk that path? Could they overcome their basic desires, programming (biological and cultural) and fears? A lot of people are content to live lies because a lie is frequently far more comfortable than truth.

fluffeez · 2017-11-23T22:42:53+00:00

My parents are the happiest bubble chasers who never question a single thing and it's always made me feel uneasy around them. Like they're body snatchers waiting to eat me. I've lived with them for a lot of my life and being around them feels like alien clones. The same music, christian natalism views,kenneth copeland crap, never changed. I stopped prodding them ages ago bc I knew I would get the same parrot responses.

I am not that smart myself, slightly above average. Smart enough to be aware but not enough to be useful.

batfish55 · 2017-11-23T19:32:37+00:00

IQ 140, EE from very good, competitive school.

My brain never stops. Makes it difficult to sleep. Makes me over critical about everything. Oftentimes I wish I was among the dumb sheeple and didn't know any better. But then, that's how we got Trump, so.... The worst part is, I can see a lot of what's wrong, but people I try to explain it to....they just don't get it. Made for a lonely existence even before I gave up on womyn.

dvdmgtow · 2017-11-23T19:47:31+00:00

Yea its rememberize me the movie "back to future" , i thought we gonna have world so nice and perfect, but its going down and downer to abyss,

cos idiots have vote power , women that all the time sit in his room and sing all day and dance , got to vote, cos they saw them on TV, "they must be good", emotionally decision that's all ,

woman > man => emotion control logic

s0ma_ · 2017-11-23T20:27:06+00:00

hence most of us walk into the desert and dont look back

ItsFinish · 2017-11-23T20:44:12+00:00

OP - check out adyashanti on YouTube. If you want peace, that's a good place to start. It's basically a step deeper then mgtow. Or the last frontier as we say.

anyonesguess456 · 2017-11-23T21:53:03+00:00

The scene from the Matrix on taking the blue pill to go back. Ignorance is bliss.

NiceIce · 2017-11-23T22:53:21+00:00

I've come to believe there is an inverse correlation between intelligence and happiness.

Tyrone-Chaddingston · 2017-11-23T23:21:05+00:00

I envy my severely autistic brother. Not a worry nor care in the world, no self awareness, no shame, no desire, no fear (except for insects but spiders are fine for some reason).

Blogginginvicecity · 2017-11-23T23:42:12+00:00

I agree with most of this. I would add that it's also shitty when people judge individuals based on preconceived notions of a crowd, e.g. like people thinking I'm some mindless drone bc I'm focused on work/research on my phone. I like this post but I cringe imagining how easily one could take this and let their ego soar

cudio · 2017-11-24T00:57:43+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. However, intelligence can lead us to analyze the constant stress you refer, or indeed all of our other feelings and emotions, and recognize them as biological, animalistic. That way, they can be ignored.

Amnesia2508 · 2017-11-24T01:23:43+00:00

Truth is a lonesome place.

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-11-24T02:01:34+00:00

I ignore the news, just work and play music with lots of different people. Also have a cat that depends on me, and a large garden to tend. Stay busy, folks! I worked today, although I could have stayed home. Do stuff! Learn new stuff!

Solstus22 · 2017-11-24T03:29:44+00:00

I guess it depends on how you cope with intelligence. Me, I prefer to know rather than not know what really goes on in our world. Sure I could be the happiest person living in ignorance but, then I'd be one of the most gullible fools too.

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2017-11-24T09:21:20+00:00

Not always. I consider myself fairly intelligent, but I also realize I direct what I spend energy, time and effort on. I will only worry about what I can change or influence, the rest is out of my hands and therefore out of my worry. One can choose to worry and philosophize about everything, or one can choose to be stoic towards life in general and only care about that what can be changed. I analyze, draw conclusions, maybe revisit it again and then move on. Not everyone is paralyzed by the sheer amount of shit that's going on.

linusjasper · 2017-11-24T11:32:01+00:00

"Intelligence makes you unhappy, I wish I was as happy and ignorant as all those other sheep" -literally everyone

silencer47 · 2017-11-24T15:54:04+00:00

Oh this is absolutely ending up on /r/IamVerySmart

intentionally_vague · 2017-11-24T16:47:36+00:00

I think this video is highly relevant, and I also believe you'll walk away from it wiser. This author is a hell of a philosopher. I apologize for the funky video filter they used, the visuals don't matter much anyway, he's just pacing in a room talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNrsXtQWRJM

Title	Intelligence can be a curse.
Author	IslandicFreedom
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Date	November 23, 2017 5:43 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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