Being a Positive MGTOW

DangZagnut · 2017-06-23T12:00:35+00:00

Whatever makes you happy. It's your life. I wouldn't recommend intentional obesity, but that's your business. That's a road that will eventually make you unhappy.

NegitiveMA · 2017-06-23T12:47:26+00:00

So you are giving up women because they are bad for you and replacing them with food that is bad for you?

Diabetes isn't something that's going to make you happy. Do what you will, but gluttony isn't a virtue.

ikhwan_arif · 2017-06-23T12:30:56+00:00

Let me preface that what you are going through is a normal reaction to being Red Pilled; it's not solely a MGTOW phenomenon. Stardusk/Thinking Ape made a great video about this a month ago.

What you asking, is the natural progression of the MGTOW philosophy; which is basically the question of What do I do now?

Paul Proteus, Turd Flinging Monkey and huMAN all made great commentary about the subject, broadly categorised as the MGTOW Self-Actualisation.

What you need to do is - in broad terms - explore and discover about you, what you like, what you want to pursue, what kind of lifestyle you want to maintain, what kind of work/job that can help you maintain your interest and your lifestyle.

These might seem easy questions but the answers are hard to come by if you don't take the time to sit down, think about it and try things out.

If you're stuck and don't know how to start or what to do, MGTOW monks like myself, generally advocate you start by getting your health in order. This include, eating healthy, exercise (including lifting weights but not for pussy), martial arts (boxing is still the best), developing your mental fortitude by reading philosophies (Plato, Stoicism, Buddhism, Taoism, Musashi's Book of Five Rings, Sun Tzu's Art of War) as well as learning a craft or trade (cooking, car mechanics, carpentry, computer skills etcetera).

I can attest that at the very least, exercise, martial arts, philosophy and crafts are great basic self-investment that will pay huge dividends. Having the discipline, resilience and perseverance to accomplished these things with have wondrous effect on your physical and mental development.

As for eating pizza, McD, and video games; there is nothing wrong with them, so long as you moderate yourself.

Good luck and go your own way.

phreshstart · 2017-06-23T12:28:50+00:00

Am I getting something wrong with the MGTOW philosophy?

There's no MGTOW philosophy, it's just men going their own way and you're doing it.

But as a man to an(obviously) younger man I would recommend to take better care of your health. You'll appreciate it a lot on the long run, when you're older. Healthcare is expensive as hell these days. Fast food + games if you overdo it, will both make you feel empty and depressed in the long run. You don't have to give them up, but like with everything else... just use moderation.

My favorite game is cooking my own food. This way I know exactly what I put in my body and I save plenty of money.

Fast food and most processed food are loaded with sugar, carbohydrates and fat... just empty calories. You're starving yourself from nutrients and vitamins.

Extra weight is really not healthy, it damages internal organs, circulatory system, knees, back, etc. Working out to lose weight is really inefficient and unhealthy.

When you're ready to take life out of autopilot you should check out intermittent fasting, it's really easy to do and you'll love it if you give it a try. It takes a few weeks to adapt but once you do, you'll never go back. You can combine this with any diet you want, keto, paleo, etc.

bannerlord · 2017-06-23T12:09:06+00:00

How you define happy is a bit off,

You should be happy by having peace of mind,

Dhamapadda

Health, contentment and trust are your greatest possessions,And freedom your greatest joy.

the_count1234 · 2017-06-23T13:08:28+00:00

If you are happy being fat and unhealthy....knock yourself out.

My guess is you are in your 20's...when you hit 30's you will realize how screwed up your body is from your unhealthy lifestyle, inflexible, random pains, constant indigestion. It will be a wakeup call, remember to do cardio, stretching(yoga), and strength training. Try to do bulk/cut cycles until you are able to figure out healthy eating habits. Until then, just enjoy life and do what you want.

2017-06-23T13:19:49+00:00

Well, too much weight gain will eventually make you UNHAPPY, guaranteed - keep that in mind.

NatSoc16 · 2017-06-23T12:03:03+00:00

What is enjoyable about being a fat slob?

KingFuJulien · 2017-06-23T13:34:49+00:00

You should trust your friend, he tries to keep you away from overweight.

I've learned it the hard way. Once I was naked in front of the mirror and hated myself. So I've changed it by doing sport, which is now my hobby. First it was to attract girls, now I just do it for myself.

There're so many ways to get rid of girls, if it's nescessary. Better use (for women) unattractive clothes, haircuts, behaviour than choosing an unhealthy lifestyle you can't stop from one moment to another.

When I was fat, at least two or three girls wanted to have a relationship, so it doesn't help.

Qazwsxedcrfv567899 · 2017-06-23T13:28:50+00:00

There is so much wrong with fast food and what it has brought upon the world. Even if it makes you happy you should avoid it.

mechdemon · 2017-06-23T13:52:30+00:00

Have you considered that you might be eating your emotions?

Also, if you're going to eat junk food, eat GOOD junk food. Find a local pizza place that delivers that you like and hit fuddruckers for your burgers and shakes. You'll still be unhealthy but it will taste WAY better.

Makonar · 2017-06-23T14:01:55+00:00

Well.... does your work make you happy? Yet you do it, right? Why do you do it - because the end result will allow you to be happy. Why do we eat healthy and stay away from excessive junkfood and try to stay active? Because the end result will allow you to be happy. Being fat does not make one happy. Laziness makes us happy, but it also makes us fat.
Everything in moderation. You can stuff your face full of pizza and such, but remember to also eat regular food.
I would recoimmend - you buy and eat healthy at home, and only indulge in unhealthy stuff when you go out to have fun.
I highly recommend learning how to cook - try new stuff. It makes you less lazy in the kitchen and what you make for yourself is usually healthier, and if you really don't feel like it - just eat some vegetables. I keep chopped up carrots, bell peppers, radishes and cucumbers in the fridge in neat little boxes - when I'm hungry or when I'm making dinner - I'll always grab some stuff from those boxes - that way I eat less unhealthy stuff, and eat more good stuff. I've also recently gained a lot of weight and now I'm again going into healthier mode.
Remember, a long and healthy life is like your job - you do it, not because you want to (very few are so luck to have jobs they adore), but because you need to in order to stay happy. Think of this as work, like cleaning the house, washing clothes - it's what you do to have a good life.

Griever114 · 2017-06-23T14:08:47+00:00

Women were always my motivation to better myself.

This is the current cancer of our society. Men are tools and nothing less. We are used, abused, sapped of our resources, sent off to war and bled dry and told to "man up" and deal with it.

Fuck. That. Noise.

You need to do shit FOR YOU. You know why? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU. You need to take care of yourself for yourself. Thats it.

However, I dont believe that should be a ticket towards obesity. Do you really want to kill yourself early and fuck up your later years? Go to the gym, FOR YOU. Eat healthy, FOR YOU. Make money, FOR YOU.

That being said, you have the choice to eat garbage. But just remember, you are literally ingesting poison. This WILL catch up with you sooner than later. My point is, why reduce the amount of years in your ONE LIFE? At the very least, try to limit the amount of garbage you eat. You have one life, enjoy every year you can squeeze out of it!!!

Dickwraith93 · 2017-06-23T13:09:40+00:00

Pick up any full-contact fighting style.

chasingsnow · 2017-06-23T14:27:59+00:00

no one should be a fat shit. consuming so many calories just makes you a selfish human, there are so many starving people out there....

that said, i agree its ok to do what makes you happy, even if that's swimming in a kiddie pool full of period juice and post taco bell shit. whatever floats your boat....but health is one thing that though doesn't directly make you happy in feeling and pleasure, its a very long term happiness when you're older and still fit. 35 here and still have a body like a teenager, takes hard work sometimes, but damn it feels good to not be a fat piece of shit.

your story is funny though, i love the girls who like older men thing, i now get it. it's all about value and monkey branching. older men simply are more established. i dated the HOTTEST girl ever, about a year ago. i was never a hot guy, maybe a 6 or 7, fucked lots of girls but nothing close to a beauty queen or some shit like that....but as i got older, i got some amazing women, all cause i just looked and acted like a man. but this one girl, a 9.5/10, and that's objective. so hot. and she had so many guys on her tail, so young, 19. but no, she told me she liked old guys, she liked my thin lips and humor. really i know i was the wealthiest i had ever been at the time and also the most mgtow ever, making me a girls wet dream. she was great, but once she realized she couldn't milk me for much money or time or marriage, she moved on as they all do.

Magistario · 2017-06-23T14:37:03+00:00

I dont think your friend disagrees with the MGTOW philosophy but your way of interpreting it. MGTOW does not say "go out and destroy yourself".

None of what you do is bad on itself, however you gaining 20 kg in a year (which is not a good thing unless you are an hollywood actor sizing up for a million dollar role) means that you are "abusing your freedom".

Remember, everything becomes poison if consumed in large doses (yes, even water).

Regarding your girlfriend, you pay her like a "whore" and then wonder when she sees other clients? Not trying to defend her but you should be first looking to your own actions before you look at hers.

Barmacist · 2017-06-23T14:52:01+00:00

If it makes you happy then yes, but take agency for your actions. You develop diabetes or need meds, you have no one to blame but yourself.

gradchad · 2017-06-23T16:50:09+00:00

I agree with your friend. You are destroying yourself.

Ruby-xy · 2017-06-23T12:15:50+00:00

I like looking in the mirror and see a perfect 10/10, I love looking like a doll, and also being able to feel healthy and full of energy. I never understood how people did not care about their body, other than how attractive it is for other. But I guess it is because most people are blue-pilled, and I have never really been that.

mgtau · 2017-06-23T13:13:36+00:00

I share many of the things that make you happy, but take it from someone who is older, future you will thank current you if you take care of your body. You don't have to look like a Greek deity, but I would strongly recommend keeping only healthy food in the house and treating yourself to the good stuff when you go out and splurge. It's a good way to strike a balance between what makes you happy and what will make you happy for a long time. I hate working out with a passion, but I recognize that I want to be independent and mobile for as long as possible. The only way to be easily mobile into your 70s and 80s is to take care of yourself and work out now. I've ran into 60-year-olds at the gym who are lifting double of what I can, so I know it's possible.

801735 · 2017-06-23T13:24:02+00:00

Women were always my motivation to better myself.

The problem is you.

alluding_to_everyone · 2017-06-23T14:15:39+00:00

I'm going to disagree for the following reasons which are bulleted below. If you remove women from the equation of why you should do something, and explain it from a practical perspective, it becomes much more salient.

You shouldn't be overweight because you will noticeably increase your risk of knee problems and cardiovascular disease. If you develop either of those issues, you can pretty much say bye-bye to any hope of engaging in outdoor physical activities without experiencing pain or inconvenience.
You shouldn't live in an unclean living space because you will attract pests such as roaches and other undesirables, which will ruin your apartment/home (including your personal belongings) and pollute the air in your living space. Been there.
You should lift weights in the gym, carefully, so that you increase your overall health (blood pressure, insulin sensitivity, muscle mass, bone density) and are able to move stuff around by using your muscles instead of your joints.

The big picture is that short-term hedonism is bad for you and will, ironically, lead to long-term pain.

davielondon · 2017-06-23T14:17:05+00:00

you're depressed and scared to get out of your comfort zone. Of course fast food and video games makes us happy - but that shit turns you into a fatass with nothing to offer the world. Get your ass in the gym. I don't stay shredded for women I do it because I want to look in the mirror and be proud of myself. The amount of work I put into my body justifies the face that I'm mgtow because no woman deserves me. They don't work as hard as me, so why should I lay up in a bed with one? As a man who's over 6 foot with a high SMV, I get stares from so many women that WISH they could be with a guy like me. They WISH they could be one of my plates. NOPE

byers18901 · 2017-06-23T14:45:40+00:00

It is your life so you may do what you want.

But you need to ask yourself what are your long term goals?

Exchanging short term pleasure for long term pain does not sound like a good idea. Obesity has absolutely terrible health consequences later on.

But right now you probably feel lost. Maybe a bit depressed/unhappy. Which is normal after finding the red pill.

But you gotta take care of yourself. You only get one shot at this life. And now that you've shed the yoke of male disposability you have a real chance of achieving it.

Feel free to take a month or two and eat like absolute shit if you so must. But after that you should come around and get your weight under control. For you and you alone.

KneeDeepThought · 2017-06-23T15:38:17+00:00

IMHO you should strive for a better balance between short- and long-term happiness. Stuffing your face makes you happy today but fucks up your tomorrows. Crank it down a notch and keep to a low-carb diet to avoid packing on the pounds, then you can still eat like a horse and not gain (much) weight.

Ever considered becoming a grill master? Steaks, roast chicken, and scotch instead of burgers, fries, and beers have helped me get into the best shape of my life and still enjoy vidya and netflix binges when I like.

omg_ppl_are_stupid · 2017-06-23T16:46:23+00:00

Honestly i think you've got it right.... go your own way. But, being fat sucks..... I don't workout for women... i workout because it makes the rest of my day really easy. It makes my mind sharp for the workday, helps with ambition towards all my goals. I'm rarely ever tired or out of breath(except during the workout) The workout betters myself. Maybe you should see it that way. You don't have to though, it's your way!

maszyna · 2017-06-23T16:52:06+00:00

It's your life. Do whatever makes you happy. If you love MCD go for it. Who am I to tell you how to live your life?

Tell your friend to fuck off because he starts to sound like a woman tbh.

Trek13 · 2017-06-23T16:58:54+00:00

MGTOW are free to do as they please. Its part of the definition of "MGTOW" after all. But another part of MGTOW is accepting responsibility, taking ownership of your mistakes and accepting the consequences of your actions. Thats part of being a man. You are NOT a VICTIM. I have Zero respect for "victims". That includes 3rd wave feminists, BLM crybabies, drug addicts, opioid abusers, alcoholics, whiny "mgtow", etc.. There are no shortage of victims in our world.

You can get away with a lot when you are young. I know, I partied huge in my late teens and 20's. Its when you get older and your body inevitably starts breaking down that you are forced into reality. And reality can be a bitch. If you wake up at age 50 obese, no energy, aches and pains all over, type 2 diabetes, vision failing.... well, take it like a man, own the hell you created for yourself and DON'T BITCH ABOUT IT.

good luck

indus360 · 2017-06-23T17:03:12+00:00

no need to be positive all the time and no need to be negative all the time. just be. all emotion is fleeting so trying to cling to one emotion will prove futile so don't feel guilty when you're not feeling all warm and fuzzy inside. it's not natural.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-06-23T17:07:13+00:00

Doing whatever makes you happy, at all times, is hedonism. You have to ask yourself how important is your health? And even though you aren't trying to impress women anymore, the rest of the world still judges you for your appearance- professionally and socially. Going MGTOW isn't an excuse to live in gluttony and be slothful. I mean it's your life, but I'm skeptical those things will actually bring you a rewarding life.

User-31f64a4e · 2017-06-23T17:08:38+00:00

Is this a troll?

None the less, I will bite.

if im happy being overweight

This only happens if you are short sighted, stupid and shallow.
That you have no internal standards for your self hints that you are probably a millennial, were probably raised by a single mother, and almost certainly "educated" exclusively by women.

Read - not watch, read - works from men of bygone eras, and try to develop just a hint of masculinity.

captain_of_kraken · 2017-06-23T17:28:32+00:00

Mental and physical health are paramount. Be healthy and make healthy decisions; it's only hard until you make a habit out of your new routine.

Plus, if you're unhealthy and unmotivated people are just going to think your MGTOW decision is just your excuse because you can't find a woman, and that looks bad on you. Being healthy, strong, motivated, and still choosing to go your own way is admirable and inspires others.

BubbleGas · 2017-06-23T17:34:48+00:00

Join a gym with a competitive sport. Any combat sport is a great place to start. If you don't want head trauma then go for a ground sport like BJJ. Personally, I recommend Boxing. It starts so simple, but is more complex than you can imagine. You don't have to spar until you are ready. The competitive nature and male dominance will give you motivation. Just do 1 session and you'll see what I'm talking about.

They won't shame you, don't worry, everyone starts somewhere. Good luck mate.

goldmanstackss · 2017-06-23T18:02:43+00:00

However, what now makes me happy is constantly eating McDonald's and Pizza Hut, playing computer games, hanging out with friends and watching movies.

You can do whatever you want in this life. It's your right, your freedom. However you have to differentiate what makes you happy, and what makes you unhealthy. McDonald's makes everyone happy. It tastes damn good, it is cheap, it is fast, and it is filling, but it's fucking poison at the same time. Everything is OK in moderation, but I'm sorry, gaining 20kg in one year is 1) not healthy, 2) not sustainable, and 3) not moderation.

I think people misunderstand the philosophy of MGTOW. MGTOW, in my opinion, are men that have given up on trying to fit in to societal norms, and are instead focusing on themselves - health, wealth, happiness - as well as carving out their own path not only for themselves, but for other men to follow as well. It has nothing to do with "hating women," or simply "doing what makes you happy." Those are byproducts of going your own way. If your path includes eating McDonald's and Pizza Hut every day, followed by a few hours of video games and another hour or two of watching a movie, that is your choice and you have the freedom to make that choice. But unfortunately, every choice has a consquence, and if you're going to make a choice, you should also weigh the consequences. I don't think you have yet weighed the consequences of your new daily lifestlye, but in my opinion, you're starting to see them (20kg in one year).

All in all, no one on an internet forum is going to make you change your lifestyle. You are in control of your own destiny, and you get to make the choices that make you happy. Just remember, however, that you have to deal with the consequences of your choices.

Good luck on your journey. If I had to give one piece of advice, it would be that if you plan on eating McD and Pizza Hut daily, at least substitute some video game time for gym (exercise) time.

Cicuta · 2017-06-23T18:34:00+00:00

In the end that thing that brings one happiness is being responsible and make other people's lives better. One can do that many ways and not be a Blue Pill.

arabicfarmer27 · 2017-06-23T18:56:11+00:00

Do you ever wish you were fit? If so then maybe being overweight and eating a lot doesn't make you happy, it's just easier. If you really do find yourself never looking back then go for it, but keep in mind the health risks that accompany having a large level of fat.

houston_oilers · 2017-06-23T14:31:40+00:00

Whatever makes you happy in the pursuit of your own life. Just don't become an addict because it'll turn your pleasure into a cross to bear.

WhistlingAlong · 2017-06-23T13:45:44+00:00

At first a mgtow is negative when dealing with first 4 stages but by the time he hits acceptance = positive mgtow with experience.

That's my spin on it.

LegitTruthSpitter · 2017-06-23T13:57:00+00:00

I'm in my early 30s, as a MGTOW I do things that show respect to myself and my body. This means having high standard when it comes to nutrition and health. You don't want to end up being a 65 year old man depending on post-wall women and simps in a failing healthcare industry because you didn't look after yourself. You have to nurish and take care of your body before you can take care of your mind. Just my two cents.

ghost_Rogue · 2017-06-23T14:11:55+00:00

Hmm... depends on your intrinsic motivation to be fit... for me I want to look a certain way, because I want to feel good about looking at myself in the mirror and not because what some bitch thinks about it.

Girls want different shit anyway... If u are athletic, she will cheat on you with a guy with a dad bod and vice versa.

I just know I feel really good feeling the hormones rushing through my body after a nice workout and healthy meal. Would recommend it to everyone, but if you don't have intrinsic motivation to do it then you won't stick to it.

Just ask yourself if it's something you really want to do and why it would benefit you, then choose accordingly.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-06-23T14:36:43+00:00

Go back to the good men project

Spungo1 · 2017-06-23T19:45:30+00:00

It's fine if you're fat and happy. I would never say that being happy is wrong, but I would question if that is the only way to be happy. If one of my friends drank too much or smoked too much, I would want him to cut back even though I know he enjoys those things.

My only suggestion is to be mindful of your physical health. Being overweight destroys your body. Military guys are very familiar with this - carrying 75-100 pounds of equipment on their back causes all kinds of problems with joints and stress fractures. My friend's normal body weight is equivalent to me carrying 90 pounds (~41kg) of extra weight. The good news is that going for a walk is equivalent to doing a march with a full pack, so fat people can gain muscle ridiculously fast.

2017-06-23T20:01:45+00:00

Have you looked into monk mode?

Crisgocentipede · 2017-06-23T20:06:48+00:00

Eating way too much fast food, I can assure you will be harmful to you later in the form of obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease and high cholesterol

ItsJustbanterm8 · 2017-06-23T21:01:58+00:00

Think of it this way.

You're gonna get old. You need to watch your health and body. Do it for you. You don't have to be Michael Phelps but be aware that your body is a temple.

Also, try to find better hobbies than video games. Gardening, rock climbing, archery, etc.

Sivitiri · 2017-06-23T21:22:25+00:00

Its the freedom factor kicking in. Think of it like a single woman moving out and the amount of free dinners and dick available to her. Thats what youre going through, no longer being a slave, extra money to get that guac on your nachos, a beer and tomato juice to go with steak and eggs its the taste of freedom.

It'll fade and youll get back into stability but enjoy it man

Lytalm · 2017-06-23T21:38:31+00:00

There's a better sub to discuss this : /r/fatlogic

letsriseup · 2017-06-23T21:43:14+00:00

MGTOW doesn't mean you have to do anything besides not giving a chit about impressing females.

It is simply a deep understanding of society that enables you to see traps far in advance.

You can completely let yourself go or strengthen yourself with this knowledge and MGTOW doesn't judge.

However, the world operates via physical laws so by completely disregarding your health you will feel the consequences regardless if you are BP, RP, or MGTOW.

You determine how much you want to improve yourself with knowledge of MGTOW.

I personally embrace self-improvement (health, wealth, social relationships, experiences) because I personally enjoy seeing my own improvements.

I've seen happy guys who don't exercise like a fiend, so I don't judge.

MGTOW does not judge your life. You decide.

mutageno · 2017-06-24T01:18:32+00:00

Think long term. In particular health and finances.

When something gives you pleasure regularly you start getting numb to it. The extreme case are opiate addicts needing several fixes a day to feel normal. Same happens with processed food, tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, vidya, etc. Do it sparingly and you'll enjoy it. Do it all the time and you will need while not really enjoying it.

Also, beware of escapism. Reality will come back with a vengeance.

greywolf1968 · 2017-06-24T01:35:00+00:00

This seems to be a variant on a long standing mgtow question....now I have left the plantation, what do I do now? Speaking for myself ,I have started to follow ideas from riseofsigma.com and Victor Pride over at bold and determined.com. On these sites,there are good ideas about proper exercise and diet, starting your own business,gaining more skills and building wealth. Once you decide to improve your health and wealth , you then have some goals to work towards.I have also started watching films and documentaries about things that interest me such as the war in Rhodesia and French amphibious armoured cars. I spend my free time reading and improving my health including my diet so I can reverse my type 2_diabetes. Follow your own path but remember that there is plenty of advice from other men, not just mgtows.

Title	Being a Positive MGTOW
Author	the_count1234
Upvotes	72
Comments	66
Date	June 23, 2017 11:52 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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