How would you explain the psychopathic idealization phase from the red pill perspective?

Zachar1a · 2016-05-17T16:45:38+00:00

I have been the recipient of love-bombing, before I learned about what it was, and I can tell you that it is very effective on a man.

As far as a man using it on a woman, I think it works if the man has high SMV at the same time as he is carrying out the love-bombing. I read an article about Mick Jagger's women. (There is a narcissist if I have ever seen one.) Supposedly, when he was interested in a woman, he would be off touring the world, but he would keep calling her long-distance (expensive and troublesome at that time) and leave her a flood of messages until she came around. So it does work on women, too.

monsieurhire2 · 2016-05-17T16:27:42+00:00

The answer to your question is that everything works if you are Chad relative to the woman you are aiming to seduce.

ColdIceZero · 2016-05-17T18:29:10+00:00

I believe article's tone mischaracterizes narcissistic ("N") and antisocial personality ("APD") disorders. The article paints a vivid picture describing the effects of N and APD behaviors, without actually addressing the causes of those behaviors—the "why" or reason behind N and APD behavior.

The article's tone left me with the impression that Ns and APDs are like Dr. Evil, scheming and plotting of ways to manipulate and take advantage of people merely for the sake of hurting them. Seemingly from the article, Ns and APDs are supposedly a malicious force who are solely out to use and abuse others.

This article approaches Ns and APDs in a similar fashion as the most angry TRP articles describe women: "they're all monsters who are only out for themselves and are only interested in manipulating you for their delight, then they'll discard you when they inevitably lose interest."

Is that an accurate assessment of women's behavior? Maybe, maybe not; but that certainly isn't a complete perspective. That perspective, like the article, only discusses the observable behavior and fails to address the underlying causes and motivations for that behavior. It is for this reason I believe the article is unproductive, because it focuses on symptoms instead of the root of the matter.

Thus, the reader is left feeling like they've been educated, when really the reader walks away without any appropriate understanding of the topic.

Without doing more research on the author, the tone of the article does not come across as though it was written by someone with an advanced understanding or education in clinical psychology. Instead, the article reads as though the author was scorned by a relationship with an N or APD, and she's now made it her crusade to educate other women about these devils in male clothing.

CzechFreak · 2016-05-17T16:03:09+00:00

It's about timing - at the right time it works. You have to constantly check the feedback and adapt (push-pull and mirroring) and present higher smv. When it's not according to trp it doesn't means it doesn't work.

AtillaTheTough · 2016-05-18T22:16:36+00:00

Dealt briefly with a psychopath. Do not recommend. Those who think it's not masculine to think there's such a thing as psychological pain and as long as you're not hurt physically you're ok do not realize how much hell they can put you through if you don't know what you're doing. You'd actually probably rather feel physical pain for a period.

Keep solid frame, remember that trust is earned during the period of years, develop stoicism and ability to control your emotions to better see when you're getting played, don't immediately assume that whoever you are talking to is good-natured. Goes double if they're charming.

Also as per one of the 48 laws never take a gift. There's guilt trip strings attached most of the time.

If you have a tendency to think with your dick you already have a problem. If you meet a psychopathic woman while having this tendency you have a huge as all fuck literally life threatening problem.

SuperSlavisWife · 2016-05-19T21:59:10+00:00

Women don't like being showered with the affections of a Beta, or at least we don't appreciate it, the same way men don't place as much value on bedding a Whore. It's not special, it's what everyone gets.

What psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists have is intensity. I grew up around them and am on the narcissistic spectrum myself and let me tell you, when they like you, you are the only person in the world they have ever liked. When they hate you, you are literally Satan.

Thus, some can project authority and abundance whilst at the same time suggesting that "you're totally the one person who's different from everyone else!" Different mechanics.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-05-17T20:38:48+00:00

We have heard multiple times that psychopaths can be very successful regarding relationships and seduction. Why does it seem like that a psychopath's tactic - love bombing - means putting the woman on a pedestal which is clearly something TRP advises against? How is it working for them then? Shouldn't the results be the opposite? How are psychopaths so successful?

They are successful, because they have a pussy.

What this article calls "lovebombing," we call "the pink cloud." That's when a bitch uses her pussy in order to get her hooks into you at the beginning of the relationship. As soon as she has ANY leverage over you whatsoever, the pussy dries up and she puts it away for good.

JohnDoeDude · 2016-05-17T20:55:40+00:00

You are taking words at face value. It's not about pedestals. It's not about a lower person trying to be liked by a higher person.

Also, the words you're quoting are only part of the process, hence any subsequent argument based on them is essentially biased.

Like others have said, it is about giving the possibility of expansion of the other person's ego. This is essentially Charm. Plus, don't forget SVM theory.

Mirroring is only part of the process. And it also must be done very subtly.

Idealization-Devaluation-Discard Phase

The abstract concept can be used in many different domains. It is about Giving a lot in the initial phase, and then Take back. But remember, Interests must be paid on loans.

In the case of psychopaths, they give some much, they charm so much, the person becomes vulnerable, it gives back hoping to receive again and again.

Add Intermittent Reinforcement and you almost have a formula to control people.

Want some additional fun? Add Cognitive Dissonance. Use it to tear down their soul and mind by making them believe two opposite things to be true. (Pull/Push anywhere nearby?) Confusion everywhere.

To Model like you want it to be, you must first make it into pieces. Then compose the pieces as desired.

smfc · 2016-05-18T03:35:11+00:00

i think "psychopath" and "sociopath" are just common man terms for certain dominant thinking type personalities.

Whisper · 2016-05-18T05:48:24+00:00

Can't say, don't know any psychopaths.

aanarchist · 2016-05-18T17:48:01+00:00

hook line and sinker. fell for it like a fucking sucker, never again.

sqerl · 2016-05-17T16:38:57+00:00

Why does it seem like that a psychopath's tactic - love bombing - means putting the woman on a pedestal which is clearly something TRP advises against?

1) WordPress blog spam
2) The entire post should be deleted
3) Nice attempt at linking TRP & psychopaths

FrgElder · 2016-05-18T14:39:22+00:00

We have heard multiple times that psychopaths can be very successful regarding relationships and seduction. Why does it seem like that a psychopath's tactic - love bombing - means putting the woman on a pedestal which is clearly something TRP advises against? How is it working for them then? Shouldn't the results be the opposite? How are psychopaths so successful?

I believe that love-bombing is done after there has already been a decent level of interest generated. It's done early in the relationship, not early in the seduction process. Psychopathic males likely easily attract and intrigue mates due to their narcissistic tendencies, which are interpreted as being high-value characteristics. You'll see these typically high-SMV men get lots of easy lays and then shower their targets with love-bombing after a few encounters.

Title	How would you explain the psychopathic idealization phase from the red pill perspective?
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Date	May 17, 2016 3:37 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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