The world is becoming MGTOW. Wall Street Journal in a panic about the male "flight from work". They cite "never married" men as a large percentage of "prime age male unworkers", who spend 3000 hours a year on “socializing, relaxing and leisure”. No plantation in sight. You sold me, WSJ. I'm in.

lemgtow · 2016-09-02T21:54:11+00:00

"Imagine how different America would be today if another roughly 10 million men held paying jobs. It is imperative for the future health of the country to make a determined and sustained effort to bring these detached men back—into the workplace, into their families, into civil society."

Herein lies the crux of the argument. Why work just for the sake of work? 99.999% of people who work aren't thinking about growing their nations GDP when they go to work, the normal everyday layperson goes to work because they have to fucking survive, they could give 2 fucks about how we're faring in comparison to some other country that they don't even know the name of. Another problem is that there are so many utterly useless jobs. 10 million jobs doing WHAT, exactly? Work at a gift card manufacturing facility? A wedding dress manufacturer? Work at a confetti manufacturing plant? Maybe people would work more if you actually created a fucking incentive to work and actually fucking payed the average layperson living wages instead of paying pro-athletes multimillion dollar salaries.

At the most base level, money is just a means to an end, really. Money buys you convenience, money buys you experiences, money buys you survival. If the end goal of what makes you happy doesn't require much money, then why bother slaving away? You only have this one life to live, and your life is going to end sooner than you think. Money isn't the end goal in life, money is simply a system that we have in place that will eventually give way to another system. What if you want to spend all day having sex and playing video games, is that really so bad? Is it really so bad that you'd want to spend time with your friends playing music together? Why is “socializing, relaxing and leisure” being portrayed in a negative light? GOD FUCKING FORBID someone desire to enjoy their life rather than toil away to increase a company's value to allow shareholders to make additional profits. This isn't a problem for the people who are enjoying their lives, this is a problem for people who rely on the labor of others to increase their investment profits and grow their capital.

Last thing I want to say: As someone who actually comes from a family with money and assets, I can tell you that having a whole bunch of stuff in your life doesn't really make you fulfilled. It's never enough. There's ALWAYS going to be the existential void that you are trying to fill with experiences, with materials, whatever it is, it is inescapable. Learn to recognize it.

Noomene · 2016-09-02T22:24:59+00:00

The slaves are rebelling. Quick press the alarm button. Bring the slaves back to the plantation.

manelsen · 2016-09-02T21:39:46+00:00

When your men drop out of society, society won't last.

DigitalScetis · 2016-09-02T23:20:04+00:00

We MGTOW eat shame sandwiches like they were filet mignon. Is that the best the WSJ can do?

hardtostarboard2016 · 2016-09-02T23:14:03+00:00

postindustrial globalized economy that eliminated traditionally male jobs. there are no jobs for these men even if they wanted to work.

scorched_throwaway · 2016-09-02T22:48:07+00:00

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TakeYourDailyDose · 2016-09-03T01:20:25+00:00

Of course, women aren't expected to work. No concern nor mention of the statistics of the entitled women that neither work nor have a desire to.

Why, exactly, would I want to spend extra hours slaving away in misery just to serve a pampered, egotistical leech that ultimately does nothing for me?

dancing_leaves · 2016-09-03T01:35:28+00:00

If the men work more, they'll pay more taxes to subsidize single mothers. The world is realizing that if there aren't any tax dollars coming in, they'll barely be able to pay themselves let alone pay all of the single moms to keep their kids fed. If this continues, kids will be starving and there won't be any jobs, there won't be any taxes to pay for them to survive. A real wake-up call is coming.

RecQuery · 2016-09-03T01:38:39+00:00

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PinHunter65 · 2016-09-03T02:39:31+00:00

Why is it always mens fault? Why is the decline of the society we built, our fault? Lets talk about why men dont wanna work anymore. Well, its because they know if they dont have a wife, and kids, and endless other pointless shit, they wont have to work as much. Less money is required. Im tired of being hold to save society. Make sure I want society to be saved before demanding even more out of me.

Hateblade · 2016-09-03T01:43:12+00:00

"Moooooom... men aren't playing the game the way it's supposed to be rigged!"

Zombocom1911 · 2016-09-03T02:31:39+00:00

I'm not trying to rile people up, but this is what a lot of socialist nations found out the hard way: people who aren't motivated to work, won't work. There's no point in spending 14 hours a day at the factory making door hinges when you get the same ration of stale bread and spoiled milk at the end of the week no matter what.

2016-09-03T03:13:25+00:00

As the deal gets rawer and rawer more men will continue to opt out.

Fuckers got too greedy.

Zombocom1911 · 2016-09-03T03:38:25+00:00

This is at least somewhat true throughout the affluent West, but the U.S. has led the pack. Not even in dysfunctional Greece or “lost generation” Japan has the male flight from work proceeded with such alacrity. The paradox is that Americans—those who do have jobs—are still among the rich world’s hardest-working people. No other developed society puts in such long hours, and at the same time supports such a large share of younger men neither holding jobs nor seeking them.

You mean I should have studied hard and become a corporate wage slave just so I can fund the keeping-up-with the-Joneses-Facebook-walls lifestyle of a well used CUNT and her brats, who has been pumped and dumped so many times that she realized much too late that Chad only wanted to cum in her a few times and then run, far , far away. She was busy rubbing the nice guy's nose in it while he was earning perfect grades just to be able to afford and support her royal highness someday, after she had her fill of endless Chad's monster cocks, all through HS and college. And now its time for princess to want to settle down with a beta provider SUCKER, who her and Chad used to kick sand in the face of, and laugh at , and lo and behold !! she somehow can't find any because (SHOCKER!!!!) men en masse are starting the righteous dumping of the entire horrible deal overboard just like the Boston Tea party.

DownUnderSolo · 2016-09-03T02:03:07+00:00

I recently got back into work after having a couple of bad experiences and being jaded about the whole thing. It's been challenging but I found something I quite enjoy and now I'm focusing on growing my wealth rather than breaking even. The structure work provides (and less risk/stress that running your own business) is often undervalued and I find my weekends have also been much more productive in terms of leisure.

Part of the MGTOW philosophy here seems to be not living up to other peoples expectations and I agree when they are ridiculous but myself has largely benefitted (health/mind/bank-wise) from making myself stay sober, presentable and social every day. I still have no desire to bring on dependants.

mhornberger · 2016-09-03T00:40:30+00:00

WSJ has been a cesspool since they were bought up by the Clinton Foundation about a year ago.

QraQen · 2016-09-03T03:43:03+00:00

The NEET pandemic, mass immigration of low IQ immigrants and the debt crisis will intersect in an interesting manner. Interestingly NEETs won't be the ones to suffer. Men at the prime working age can return to work on a moment's notice, if given the right kick in the butt and incentives. Women and the compulsive low IQ are going to get fucked though, when welfare runs out and angry ethnic minorities begin to riot.

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2016-09-03T03:50:09+00:00

Among these men the death of work seems to mean also the death of civic engagement, community participation and voluntary association.

Fuck all that. I don't care what happens to Western civilization in 100 years. It could be a land of troglodytes and barbarians; I don't care, not my problem.

It is imperative for the future health of the country to make a determined and sustained effort to bring these detached men back—into the workplace, into their families, into civil society.

No thanks.

Mini_Bot · 2016-09-03T03:42:09+00:00

Can someone explain to me how these NEETs manage to live without jobs? Excluding leeching money from their parents, what other ways can these NEETs get money?

Luis_McLovin · 2016-09-03T07:01:17+00:00

Enjoy the fall.

MaunaLoona · 2016-09-03T07:08:18+00:00

The Beautiful Ones

Osoto_Gari · 2016-09-03T07:09:57+00:00

Work has to "pay". The dollar amount it pays matters not. It's what those dollars buys that matters. My standard of living has fallen markedly in the past couple of years. Indeed, the standard of living of my friends has also fallen. We're working just as hard as we used to if not harder.

So hard work isn't "paying" anymore. Fine, I just spent the day hiking and spent a grand total of $5 on food for two adults for the day. Good luck trying to leach off that Wall Street / Bankers / Politicians / Public (self) Servants / Feminists !!!!

kyledontcare · 2016-09-03T09:35:38+00:00

This article is really the height of stupidity and hypocrisy. Here is a news service that makes its living reporting on companies and to a lesser extent, popular culture. They are reporting on the companies that have shipped US jobs overseas or brought in workers on H1-B1 visas so that they can pay them dramatically less than they would regular Americans, and then in the next breath, criticized you for not working and wondering aloud why men are being so lazy and not being willing to work at jobs that hardly pay crap. Take for example the mass layoffs recently at Disney: They weren't all men but a lot of them were the very same people this article is poking sticks at. And then there's the similar situation at the Carrier air conditioning plant in Indiana I believe. This article I pure hypocrisy and this is why Trump is so popular and I for one am voting for him. HRC will be more of just the same as Obama but with a heavy Muslim and feminist twist. If HRC really is elected you can add Muslims to the protected class along with African-Americans and Hispanics. And you can probably count on Sharia also.

2016-09-03T14:29:17+00:00

I can only speak re life in the UK. I was unemployed for a year, and the Job Centre did everything to kick you off benefits. The most common was so-called sanctions. I received two during that period for the most trivial shit you can imagine. In the end I just gave up and went it alone.

For the average guy looking for work, be prepared for the zero hour contracts, having to deal with recruitment agencies who may or may not give you any work.

Twinned with rising cost of living, and it's no wonder that men are turning their backs on society. Some guys turn to the grey or black economy, and TBH, I don't blame them as there's no real job security nowadays.

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Allanlemos · 2016-09-03T11:18:54+00:00

All that is happening in first world countries today,like Japan and US,was the same that happened just before the fall of Rome.

But we don't need to worry guys,they have their "strong and independent" women who are more capable and superior to men.Why would they need simple men like us?I'm sure they can solve their first world problems.

MrMGTOW19 · 2016-09-03T17:34:53+00:00

Hello.

I am currently unemployed. I would like to work, but all I seem to be able to find are service jobs that don't pay enough to live off of. If I took one of these jobs, I would actually lower my standard of living (currently receiving state benefits).

I had a job a few months ago at a wholesaler. It was very labor intensive - lifting 80-100lb boxes throughout the day, almost nonstop, for 6-8 hours. I never got a day off that I requested, despite requesting weeks in advance. I busted my ass moving at light speed and doing all my tasks + extra and was still only got "average" on my ratings. I would go home and my shoulders ached, my back was all messed up, and I was exhausted 24/7, 7/week. I would think; okay I've got pennies in my bank account, but my body is being destroyed. Is the payoff worth the cost? What if I got hurt; all that money would vanish in flash in medical costs!

I worked out the math. It took the average part timer 5-7 years to get a full time position. At the part time pay scale, it would have taken me 4 years to get to a place where I could afford my own, small, efficiency apartment. If I did want a woman in my life, or even start a family - I had zero appeal at that job. We got a new manager who took work off the full-timers and dumped it on us part-timers, making the job 3x harder than it already was (which was already considerably hard). Getting yelled at and bullied all day by management, and having an extremely difficult job, in exchange for beating up my body and getting pennies in return... I walked clocked out for my lunch one day and just never went back.

My grandfather was a welder and owned two vehicles, an acre of land, and a house, supported a wife and 2 children on 1 income. And I'm called "entitled" for wanting the same opportunities? Wow.

I just want to work, but not kill myself at work, and have enough money for my own place, a car, food, and the occasional treat (a trip to the city or something). But that's not available so why bother? Work is a dead end.

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blackierobinsun2 · 2016-09-04T21:54:25+00:00

See it's funny because women are to blame to the decline/downfall of America and when the collapse actually happens, females are going to go back to "oh I'm just a female, someone please take care of me, I need any man to help me", yeah all them taking picture and makeup doesn't put food on the table btch

victor_knight · 2016-09-03T01:40:01+00:00

Hobbies (and healthcare) can get expensive. These men will have to do something to earn money eventually. Hopefully while they are still marketable and able to learn marketable skills. Enough to support themselves and their eventual retirement, at least.

CongenialVirus · 2016-09-03T01:24:42+00:00

Take off the tin foil hat. Stop being retarded. There is no movement there is no community. The "bad guys" are not plotting genocide. For fuck sake at least pretend to employ the scientific method.

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