On prostitution

ryeshoes · 2016-08-06T08:29:21+00:00

Social shaming is useful. Not only when done by women, but also by men. Women shame men who use prostitutes for a number of reasons - because they want access to that man's resources, because they want some woman to have sole control of that man's resources, because a man who is not afraid to use prostitutes is able to take away the one thing women have over men: monopoly over access to sex. Speaking of, this is why there's shaming of men who do not kowtow to monogamy - a man who has multiple partners, none of which he owes child support, and none of which he is married, can dump any of those women for misbehaving.

IE: competition forces women to be on their best behaviour.

That said, I mentioned that social shaming works for women as well as men. BP men dislike men who use prostitutes for all sorts of stupid self serving reasons. Even TRP sometimes looks down on men who use prostitutes. You'll find posts supporting and denouncing it within that sub - either that using prostitutes trains you to not worship the pussy, allows you to avoid the hurdles of catering to whoever is your "potential plate", or whatever benefit that prostitution grants men. On the other hand they also shame men who use prostitutes, calling them unable to attract women using "game" or "frame" or whatever the fuck term those guys use now. I can't keep up with the lingo, and I've been around since the days of the ladder theory forums.

It's the same with porn, and sex bots, and uh, video games, and other "man child" activities, like being a mgtow. Women dislike men who don't become beta bux because those men are spending money on things that make them happy.

Edit: babby's first gold on r/mgtow thanks stranger!

CrazedWoodsman · 2016-08-06T09:05:23+00:00

Of course they do, it devalues the sex they give us and therefore their innate purpose is called into question. For women such as my grandmother and great grandmother (geneology is fun) they were wives, homemakers, helpmeets, companions, and mothers. Thus they did not feel threatened by prostitution apart from it being sinful (they were devout Christians)

However today's woman unlike any generation before her has nothing to offer, no skills of marketable value (of course excluding outliers) or simple convenience (even fat girls don't cook anymore like wtf) They are parasitical wet holes that offer narcissism, insanity, financial ruin, and selfies.

victor_knight · 2016-08-06T11:02:16+00:00

Women don't have to do anything. They have the mangina-infested medical establishment to ensure that unprotected sex will never be safe except in a "monogamous relationship" and to also scare men to death about STDs as if it was the leading cause of death in the world for men. They have TV shows by mangina directors and producers who constantly show young men being ridiculed and shamed by their friends for taking the "easy way" to get laid. There are also cop shows about "sex offenders" being totally destroyed and thrown in jail or labeled so that they can never find work again.

Let's see... what else? We have priests, rabbis and mullahs condemning the straight up purchasing of sex. That a man who does so is destined to be physically tortured in Hell. Perhaps for an eternity. Not enough? How about the unending nagging by the man's own DNA to procreate, which makes flings with prostitutes somewhat pointless? In other words, his DNA programming makes him convince himself that he needs to commit to a woman.

Like I said... women themselves don't have to do anything to "discourage" men from prostitutes.

SomeGuyNY · 2016-08-06T17:28:40+00:00

I'm originally from Germany, where most people seem to have a very pro-prostitution opinion and you can easily find huge brothels full of eastern European women in any major city.

Women know that very few desirable men will visit hookers so they really don't care. Among men you'll still probably be looked down upon as someone who can't get laid though, especially if you aren't 45+ years old.

I personally don't like the idea of fucking hookers, but realistically my ex girlfriends were probably worse lays than most guys will get with pros.

Thinkpadoutlaw · 2016-08-06T08:34:00+00:00

Women are like prostitutes in that they use sex as a bargaining tool, but prostitues are almost guaranteed to have multiple men in them daily, so they go over my own personal line of what's appropriate. For me it's not about being ashamed, it's about being disgusted. Otherwise I have no problem with the morality of it.

Anyway, you can only feel ashamed if you care what others think, and the only person who has any right to judge your actions is you.

cynicalsimon · 2016-08-06T18:30:34+00:00

Do you think women fear prostitution? Because then they would lose some of their power

this has been hinted at on mgtow and frankly, its getting irritating to see it so often. The response from me is consistent. In Canada, its TECHNICALLY illegal to arrest men for having sex with hookers, but the amount of legal loopholes, the cops disagreeing with the law and the cops NOT EVEN enforcing the law, UNLESS their is underage or violent things occuring, makes Toronto a place where, hookers thrive and you can get one without much concern.

That being said, Toronto is the epicenter of feminism and shit, in all of the western world. I live near Toronto and as a white man, every women hates me undoubtedly because I'm not chad.

To concur, prostitution did nothing for men being treated appropriately or having self respect, so MYTH BUSTED

DigitalScetis · 2016-08-06T23:35:33+00:00

Do you know what I like about prostitutes, doms, porn actresses and such?

They know that I know they are whores. I know that they know I'm just a horndog.

And so, we can lie to each other. She knows damn well that when I say "you're very smart," that I'm not really interested in having deep, esoteric discussions about Ludwig Wittgenstein's Brown and Blue Books; I'm just there to get my freak on. But she appreciates it, nevertheless, because I don't ever rub it in her face that she gets men off for money; I treat her better than that.

And by the same token, when she says to me that I'm such a "strong, charming man," I know damn well that she would probably drop me like a limp phallus after an eight hour CBT session in a San Francisco dominatarium dungeon if a better deal came along. Nevertheless I appreciate it; because she isn't rubbing it in my face that I am just a horny guy who needs a few benjamins in order for a girl to get me off.

In that way, I think there is a kind of honesty between sex workers and their clients that is far more genuine, in a lot of ways, than even married couples. We protect each other's pride, both of us knowing full well that our flirts and flatters are lies, but the kind of lies that demonstrate mutual decency for one another, protecting each other's shame.

It is a far different thing between a man and his paramour, than between a man and any other woman in his life. Because those other women don't protect a man's ego; they tear it down any chance they get, so to make themselves seem superior.

But your mistress--whether they strap you down and tease you, sell you clips, find you at the hotel bar to go upstairs, get in your car, or pose for your camera--is never going to humiliate you publicly, unless you give her no other choice (you do not pay her or you insult her by calling her a whore...both unforgivable, but the latter moreso).

Her most important role is to make you feel good about yourself, and good about seeing her. And so, the relationship can be surprisingly honest and jovial in a way that often escapes more "acceptable" relationships.

Just my thoughts.

solaceFromSolitude · 2016-08-06T13:01:47+00:00

In my very first serious relationship (I was 19) my gf spoke about prostitution all the time with me and her friends. She was greatly disgusted by the whole idea. She wanted it to be illegal (it is not, over here).

Then some years later, the bf of one of her best friends, admitted to his gf that he had gone visit one. This girl actually broke up with him over it. The irony is that this girl had behaved like a prostitute for many years. She would fuck guy after guy, even picking up strangers from the street. The only thing distinguishing her from a whore, was that she was too dumb to ask money for it!

Anyhow. Another year or two later. Our relationship ended on quite friendly terms. One of the very first things I did after that was thinking about how prostitution was such a big issue for her... It actually inspired me to go visit one and see what the fuss was all about.

Low and behold... it was one of the most liberating experiences I have ever had. No longer could any woman control my behavior with sex. I could simply get it whenever I wanted. I soon thought the expense far outweighed the drawbacks of being in a relationship.

To this day, I think prostitution is liberating for men. It actually makes them better men. It makes them more stable and it stops them from getting into relationships solely for the purpose of having sex. This is what I did some times; It was dishonest to the woman. So, prostitution in a way is also good for women.

Of course, I am no fan of human trafficking. This is why I usually visit "private" whores; Women who work from their homes. They pay taxes and get weekly medical checkups. I always have safe sex with them. They are usually very nice women, mostly between 30 and 50 years old.

Morranaii · 2016-08-06T16:58:47+00:00

dont forget that prostitution is offered by women. they have all the power.

2016-08-06T19:24:59+00:00

I think there's more pipe dreams about prostitution than there are guys actually using prostitutes.

Maybe I only like 9's and 10's and so I'm just priced out of the market? I don't even really want to deal with <9's - I mean the concept smells like "Craigslist." Yuck.

MuscleCarz · 2016-08-07T01:25:13+00:00

Do you think women fear prostitution? Because then they would lose some of their power?

How do you think Blue Pill men and pussy-pandering PUA's would react and/or feel if suddenly space ships landed on earth, unloading millions of exotically handsome, physically perfect, extremely rich men, offering women of earth whatever they wanted if they just had sex with them and eventually bore them a child?

Prostitution is just plain scary for women, because deep down they know the main reason men approach them isn't for their "personality," it's for sex. AND, THEY KNOW their sexuality is no prize AT ALL, yet paradoxically, it's the #1 weapon in their arsenal to control men. It's market value relies solely on SCARCITY. Legalized prostitution would be a boon for men, freeing up our creative, productive selves for more healthy endeavors, instead of running around in horny desperation-fed mental fugues, jumping through ridiculous hoops to get laid, from a woman that we may not even really like.

Sadly, TPTB know this, and will quash legalized prostitution with predictable regularity. Hell, Denmark, I believe, where it's legal, they're running TV commercials practically begging couples to make babies. Not that prostitution's the sole reason for the drop in births, but it makes sense that it'll have an impact on dropping birth rates. Why get married when you can be free AND GET YOUR PIPES CLEANED AT A REASONABLE PRICE WITH REGULARITY?

Bring on the sexbots!!!

gattofila · 2016-08-07T12:19:23+00:00

No, women don't fear prostitution. Some of us are jealous of the bodies of others but even when I was at my heaviest I was never afraid of or jealous of prostitutes. Here's why: it's a very difficult job. I would never be able to do it.

I commend the women who can, for keeping themselves safe and supporting themselves. I believe prostitution should be legalized and that anyone should be able to pay for sex.

I would love to go to a male strip show (that's where we told my Mom we were taking her for her birthday last night and she believed us, hysterical). Some people sell their bodies for work and other people their minds. Some both.

If a man (or woman) is only interested in sex then good for them. Seriously. I'm not worried about them, deeply concerned or anything like that. I don't judge or care what other people do consensually - it's none of my business.

gattofila · 2016-08-06T17:13:41+00:00

I'm a woman and I'm not ashamed at all about prostitution. Some of us sell our minds, some our bodies and some do both. Btw I'm also a feminist here - does that mean I get banned automatically or am I allowed to contribute politely?

Oh, ok! I see! Downvotes answered that question!

Title	On prostitution
Author	Scimiturd
Upvotes	26
Comments	47
Date	August 6, 2016 8:20 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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