Is it possible to embrace the philosophy of TRP without getting into the "seduction" aspect of it?

HumanSockPuppet · 2013-08-20T07:32:16+00:00

The idea that I would change my persona, my identity, just to attract girls who have ignored me my entire life disgusts me

Success through TRP is not about changing your persona. It's about breaking out of anti-social habits.

The truth is, social skill is a greater predictor of success in the world than intelligence, talent, or almost anything else. A man acting alone is only as strong and capable as his own skills and training. But a man with friends, loved ones, and allies is as strong and capable as his network, because he can call upon any one of them to compensate for his deficiencies or augment his strengths.

TRP may focus on the sexual dynamic between men and women, and how to close that gap, but its implications are far-reaching indeed.

QH9T5 · 2013-08-20T03:56:07+00:00

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RedSunBlue · 2013-08-20T03:55:14+00:00

This belongs in /r/askTRP

QH9T5 · 2013-08-20T03:56:56+00:00

You can do whatever you want. You don't need our validation. You can improve your life generally and keep your shit game. We call guys like that Men Going Their Own Way. MGTOW. Google it.

That being said, it is the desire for sex that underlies most motivation to personally improve. Harnessing your horny little lizard brain towards self-improvement is extremely powerful. It will make you do all the shit you would be too lazy for otherwise, all in the name of getting more ass.

My guess is eventually you will work towards game as well. Your lizard brain will compel you.

veggie_girl · 2013-08-20T04:02:49+00:00

I saw your previous post in /r/depression.

I hope you are doing better on that aspect.

#1 advice is to hit the gym and cut everything bad out of your diet. Your mind is directly influenced by your body. If that doesn't work you may want to get tested for low T. Because if the gym isn't effective may have a genetic deficiency that is wreaking havoc.

Other than that, repost this in /r/askTRP

2013-08-20T12:57:27+00:00

can I embrace the TRP philosophy by focusing exclusively on myself and my goals, while ignoring the seduction part?

Yes.

If sex is not a pressing need for you then you can and should apply the underlying redpill philosophy (being brutally honest with yourself, dealing the world as it is rather than as you would like it to be, applying the scientific method to optimizing your life skills, and solving problems by improving your own value rather than whining to others) to other aspects of your life.

You'll also find that the less you care about getting laid, the easier it will be to get laid when you choose to. So that's a very handy self-reinforcing cycle.

2013-08-20T15:59:09+00:00

If you want "that special someone," then move to that special place (e.g., a non-feminist country). The women here are spoiled and broken, and even if you discover a NAWALT unicorn, she can become exactly like the others at any point in time. Society's infrastructure encourages women to be "like that" with large economic incentive and social pressure. You might not like this reality, but it's far better to be aware of it than not.

As far as squandering your talents, it's up to you. You're free to go your own way and opt out of society, to whatever extent you like (for now). But if you do this, you will likely be full of regret once you're older. Better to develop yourself as much as possible, then go abroad to seek the healthy relationship(s) you desire.

Roosh has discussed how Red Pill alpha-style game isn't needed abroad. He calls it world game, and it's basically acting like a greater beta. So no, you don't need to be a PUA. You can go your own way or go abroad. But: if you remain in a Western country, and try to date, you will suffer.

tsudonimh · 2013-08-20T08:34:05+00:00

can I embrace the TRP philosophy by focusing exclusively on myself and my goals, while ignoring the seduction part?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: TRP is not about getting laid more often. It's about bettering yourself. It's about understanding yourself. It's about improving and gaining confidence in yourself and your abilities. It's about preventing others from taking advantage of you.

Seduction, 'game', pua, getting laid nightly? All that stuff comes later - as a result of improving yourself.

Some advice - You're 16. You are going to make mistakes as you mature. Don't fear making them. Give yourself permission to fail, but not to give up. Because it's only by taking the risk of failing that you set yourself up to succeed.

There are women out there who want a monogamous relationship. I found one at 19 and I've been married to her for 12 years now.

GayLubeOil · 2013-08-20T03:59:49+00:00

16 is to early to know if you are gifted. You havent taken any Standardized intelligence tests so how the fuck would you know. You need some kind of impartial test that proves, that you are very intelligent. In my experience the dumbest people are the most confident in their intellect. If you constantly improving yourself you will eventually be very distinguishable from your peers and highly attractive. I hope that answers your question.

It is true that bitches aint shit but tricks and hoes, give it time you will learn this the hard way.

fuk_offe · 2013-08-20T04:11:49+00:00

/r/askTRP

Also,

The idea that I would change my persona, my identity, just to attract girls who have ignored me my entire life disgusts me, as does the idea of casual sex. I'm the kind of guy who only wants "that special someone," a girl whom I can sincerely love and trust, but after swallowing the red pill, I've come to realize that serious monogamous relationships are difficult to maintain due to the short attention spans and unpredictable desires of most modern women.

Shit test failed bro. Learn from TRPers past mistakes and don't go the "one" route.

FRSTKZ · 2013-08-20T16:26:41+00:00

Game is kind of important in life. It will prepare you for encounters with both sexes. It will also teach you to recognize needy individuals. Since learning some game, I have begun to notice alphas and how they communicate with people and what makes them charismatic. Some of it has to do with kino. The more game you learn the more comfortable you will be within your own skin and this can only be a good thing. Having many contacts is good for your life and career. And like someone else said, it will help you weed out the shit tests and avoid people who are insincere. Make female friends, make them feel special, you don't have to fuck them. Eventually you will get lucky and find someone you are compatible with. Just don't b

slcjosh · 2013-08-20T17:37:40+00:00

based on personal experience, i would highly sugest starting at your age to learn "game" and seduction. trust me, you will be a better person in the long run from it.

FortunateBum · 2013-08-20T22:03:36+00:00

I'm the kind of guy who only wants "that special someone," a girl whom I can sincerely love and trust

This person does not exist and thinking that she does exist is part of your problem.

So, here is where my question comes in: can I embrace the TRP philosophy by focusing exclusively on myself and my goals, while ignoring the seduction part?

Yes, of course. Probably the best way to go about things anyway. Work on yourself, and the chicks will come.

When the chicks do come, you will need to have ways of interpreting their behavior and navigating their bullshit. Learning the seduction techniques will give you that insight. The worst thing in the world is to be fucked over by some manipulative gold-digger.

Amuro_Rey · 2013-08-20T04:46:50+00:00

The idea that I would change my persona, my identity, just to attract girls who have ignored me my entire life disgusts me, as does the idea of casual sex.

Your persona and identity are going to change no matter what. The question is what direction is it going to go towards.

To me, game is a must, and like it or not it's the keystone to your mating strategy. If you are unable to meet and have sex with women you find attractive, your mating strategy is less than ideal. Also important is preventative game; screening women that fit your mating strategy, something a majority of the 'shit bluepills say' links we get posted fail at.

Mouthpiece · 2013-08-20T15:12:58+00:00

You're 16 years old. Your persona is changing, and will continue to change, for many years, even decades.

The question you need to answer for yourself: how to you want it to change? Do you want to be a better man tomorrow than you are today, not for "her" sake but for yours? If so, TRP is for you.

If you said you wanted to be a better many just to impress the ladies, then you still wouldn't have understood TRP. So good on you for having the right reasons.

Just_Brad · 2013-08-21T07:52:44+00:00

At 16, you would do well to focus on the self-improvement aspects, but I think TRP really highlights how self-improvement and maximizing your attractiveness go hand in hand. It will also serve you well to be aware of women's true natures instead of the Feminism^TM version of what women are like.

That certainly doesn't mean being a misogynist, at least not in the true sense of the word (hating women). Women are not bad people, they just aren't like men - and the world would be a worse place if they were as far as I'm concerned.

I'm more than a little jealous of you at this point in your life. It will be very good for you to learn to embrace self-discipline and self-determination at such a young age. You also have a chance of actually getting to have a committed monogamous relationship that could go the distance, which sounds like a goal of yours. But keep your eyes open and remember that you are the leader in that relationship.

One other thing, and I know you didn't indicate any problem with this but, I think porn and masturbation are very bad for young men, despite the mainstream messages to the contrary. I believe that it can truly sap your motivation for self-improvement and screw up your neuro-chemistry. Probably not in irreparable ways, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

umbilicaljane · 2013-08-20T03:57:58+00:00

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2013-08-20T04:34:40+00:00

Hell no.

Title	Is it possible to embrace the philosophy of TRP without getting into the "seduction" aspect of it?
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