A question about your ideology.

livingfugally · 2020-07-06T13:15:58+00:00

You have committed the logical fallacy known as "begging the question", wherein you assume a conclusion (folks who are alone are lonely) in your premises.

There is no evidence that folks who are alone are lonely.

Perhaps you feel this way (argument from personal experience is a fallacy, too), or you know folks who report such feelings (argument from anecdote is also a fallacy).

I've been alone most of my life, I have no friends or family. I am NOT lonely.

People (especially women, simps, and folks with homes) suck and I don't want anything to do with them.

Catcrumble · 2020-07-06T10:24:29+00:00

Seems like a concern troll. But I might be wrong.

Lesser creatures? Wtf is wrong with you man? And the fact you call it an ideology. Extremely suspect.

Lucius_Faust · 2020-07-06T11:16:50+00:00

I think that's more like isolating yourself from societal expectations as a men, than isolating yourself fully from society.

Like - "at XX age you should've wife, children, car and house" while in this day and age economy you can have it with a mortgage for 30-40 years, with high probability of being divorced and financially devastated.

You have your male friend, maybe you have some women friends you like spend time with them, it's ok, unless you're simping for them xD

It's an old phrase that with MGTOW you'll die alone. But to be honest, we all die alone. It's hard to swallow that it's highly probable that vast majority won't have a family like our parents of grandparents had. If you have Red Pill knowledge you can: A) get yourself involved in the gynocentric system, where you'll eventually end up miserable, B) try to live your best life while creating bonds with people you'll meet along your road.

SufferableKant · 2020-07-06T09:45:37+00:00

Some people are naturally more introverted. I'm personally happier off when I don't have people around constantly.

If I need companionship, I have friends for that.

If sacrificing the prospect of intimacy means I don't have to deal with all the risks of divorce, alimony, rape threats, unfair child custody and the like, then so be it. You can't have everything you want in life.

I hope that I'll not only have enough money to retire comfortably by the time I'm elderly and infirm, but that that amount includes being able to hire private nursing help if need be. I'd rather pay someone for their time and labour than be a strain on family.

GoodMan_Gone · 2020-07-06T12:00:55+00:00

We are alone our whole lives. We are born, live and die alone. During that path we walk people come and go. So it's perfectly explained: as social creatures we get our "fix" of social interaction with other people. Being alone in the whole process.

KUL-DANK · 2020-07-06T19:33:21+00:00

i was raised by psychopaths, so im very happy whenever i get to enjoy some time alone

and i love abandoned places where there are no humans

i used to have multiple groups of friends, but after school was over, my friendships slowly disappeared, but my knowledge, logical thinking and wisedom increased and i love it

also id love to live in an abandoned city, thatd be a dream for me, i dont care about socialising, i care about making enough money to not ever have to talk to another person in my life, thats why im investing in cryptocurrencies

But i dont think there are many people like me out there who have had enough of the human race

General_Fear · 2020-07-06T10:07:28+00:00

You don't have to single. You can date if you want. Just don't get married and don't move in with a woman. Some men prefer to be alone others date.

Ody_ssey · 2020-07-06T11:20:32+00:00

Being alone is not lonely. Alone is the state of absence and loneliness is the state of mind. Even without relationships, you will always have people to interact wirh. At age 40, it becomes more interesting to see when those men who cut contact with you because of being a family man come back after being destroyed in divorce.

You can date whoever you want. Just don't cohabitate or marry.

Hateussoyboys · 2020-07-06T14:43:24+00:00

I am living alone but I am way from lonely!

think about the difference and find your personal way!

Bokulence · 2020-07-06T18:38:41+00:00

I would choose to live alone, than to live with a creature that can make my life a living hell.

Have you looked at the Tibetan monks how they live so peaceful live, healthy one and longer one too?

Mostly they live alone in the mountains away from people who can make they life a living hell.

You are not a mgtow and mgtow is not an ideology.

BoogersAndSugar · 2020-07-06T20:08:17+00:00

It's a question of what's the lesser of two evils. Loneliness fucking SUCKS, but it's better than being trapped in a bad marriage or relationship.

Global_MGTOW · 2020-07-06T10:12:57+00:00

I have friends and a gf, I also have boundaries set up with everyone. One of the boundaries is don't get married which I've been clear and upfront since the beginning. I don't know what you've heard but most of us here aren't going to fall off the grid and move into some cabin in the middle of the woods. I mean, I might if it had really fast internet and a Costco near by but since those places don't exist, I'll pass.

As for nobody by your side, that's mostly a bad thing when you think about it. How many people do you know who are in horrible relationships simply because they want somebody by their side? Sometimes it's better to have no company rather than bad company. Do things because you genuinely want to, not because you feel that you have to follow some script laid out by society and that you're just fulfilling your role as the worker ant.

Stabby66 · 2020-07-06T14:16:10+00:00

try it out then, try living with a woman and then try living alone and see which one you like better

prbonfanti · 2020-07-06T19:01:59+00:00

Lets say, it is not a ideology, its a strategy, to survive in a gynocentric world, where males are seen as utilities.The biology part is this, nature made the mating game some way where the tendencies of both genders made viable to build societies since we build some control rules , a man could slave himself to keep society and his own 'legacy' some were even fine with that.But the safety measures went removed, the contract only binds one side now, so men are enslaved for nothing and the relationship is now a rotten deal.It is not about to be alone or not, but to understand you was alone anyway,was not about you but what you can provide, the delusion exists to keep you chained to a system.It is not the narcisism thing(you should search definition in old books not modern), but what this person at your side will bring of value to your life? You already answered the question, sad true. Of course biology compels you to 'build a legacy' but this instinct is used to manipulate and destroy males, Sex Sells.

"I have found that, to make a contented slave,it is necessary to make a thoughtless one…He must be able to detect no inconsistencies in slavery; he must be made to feel that slavery is right; and he can be brought to that only when he ceases to be a man."Frederick Douglass (i heard his statue was destroyed some days ago)

In a whole maybe mgtow is just a search to build the men we should be by own nature, each one unique and sane.

I need to add, i am not spokesman of nothing, and don't "label" myself mgtow, i am just learning, day after day, if my words clarified something good, if not i am sorry, each one have limits.

The_2nd_Bob · 2020-07-06T19:32:36+00:00

Going my own way doesn't mean we don't have friends and family in our lives... it means we don't put our destiny in another's hands. We are ultimately in charge of where we end up.

krenovinspired · 2020-07-06T20:58:12+00:00

Easy. As a rule, I don't really like people. Most of them are self absorbed drones who bore me inside of 30 seconds. I'm happier with my own company. I ask questions and then look for answers.

kleinburg11 · 2020-07-06T21:59:54+00:00

i know that problem. i actually feel the same way. mgtow is not the right way, but it gives the best warnings about our society and they are sadly all true.

you have to accept the monk life. it is hard. it is lonely. you have to get a job and some hobbies. get a hooker, a videogame or whatever, but don't get bored!!!!!

Boredom makes you think about your lonelyness and that's gonna eat up your soul.

or

you ignore the warnings and try a gamble with the modern women

in the end it is up to you

imazed54 · 2020-07-07T01:24:13+00:00

I have a pretty active social life and I still date and fuck occasionally. just no marriage, no cohabitation, no impregnating.

im also in the process of starting a family as a single dad... going the surrogate + nanny route

Title	A question about your ideology.
Author	underfree22
Upvotes	5
Comments	18
Date	July 6, 2020 9:33 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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