The Racial Dilemma Of The Men's Rights Movement

mensmod · 2021-07-21T15:20:31+00:00

Removed.

Widely uninformed article. Men's rights from around the world are discussed here. For race issues in the US, it is widely talked about how black men experience an intersectional challenge from race plus gender.

reddut_gang · 2021-07-20T23:41:16+00:00

It's not a racial dilemma. I'm south asian. Not once have I felt left out or excluded from the MRM. It is the opposition smearing our movement with more of their bullshit and slander. They are experts in feigning innocence or acting as though they are the good guys. That includes trying to gain the favour of the part of me that's brown. But that doesn't mean shit if they hate the part of me that's male. Last time I checked, being brown, or black, or yellow, or white, does not exclude you from being drafted, nor does it remove any of the issues discussed on this sub.

DavidByron2 · 2021-07-20T23:14:24+00:00

Always great to get advice from your enemies on how to beat them best, but I'm not sure I believe them.

coffeeinvenice · 2021-07-21T02:08:35+00:00

Well, it's a blog, right? Basically it's a person talking to themselves on the Internet.

Let me guess...no actual in-person interviews with MRAs on the issue, no actual in-person interviews with non-white MRAs - or African-American males in particular - no look at or discussion about the MRM in India and other south Asian countries.

I've been a member of this subreddit off and on for about seven years, and I've seen lots of contributions from African-Americans about men's issues. I don't feel "dilemma'd" at all.

Incidentally, a very good documentary came out in 2015 about some of the issues African-American men face when dating African-American women, and how a significant number of African-American men have "given up" and have moved to Brazil for marriage.

It's called Frustrated: Black American Men in Brazil. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwGWCyfPHz8

iainmf · 2021-07-21T03:51:14+00:00

Most criticism of the MRM is politically motivated. A lot of it is projection.

I don't think it is wise to use a politically motivated opponent's framing to define the MRM. That's letting them control the terrain.

The response to accusation that the MRM is racist (or whatever) is to go back to first principles.

Everyone has human rights. Human rights need to be protected. Therefore we should protect men's rights.

Bara-enthusiast · 2021-07-21T06:18:47+00:00

It's like we haven't said enough times that black men are the victims of the most draconian gender roles, violence and justice system discrimination. We have plenty. We can do that more as those men get more comfortable with opening up, but those discussions have been so far welcomed here

rabel111 · 2021-07-21T01:59:44+00:00

The OP seems to be trying very hard to create a problem where none exists. Why? Some ideological obscession with CRT?

DavidByron2 · 2021-07-20T23:44:45+00:00

I think I've mentioned all the points there and more more than once here. Article doesn't mention one of the most stunning statistics which is that the feminist false rape accusation machine in colleges accuses young black men at about twenty times the rate of young white men. Presumably because white women love making up rape stories about black men for some reason. But there's one group of young men who are falsely accused even more. Who? The group of young men (regardless of race) who are falsely accused of rape.

Here's how he describes the feminist hate movement that lobbied against the vote for former slaves and switched to the Democratic party in order to oppose it. The movement that nudged and winked at public lynching. The movement that amplified every negative stereotype about men, most of which had already been used heavily against black men. Stupid, drunk, violent, don't feel pain, etc.

One side consists of a diverse group of people who are strong advocates for racial justice. Black, White, Indigenous, Asian, and so forth. This side consists of Civil Rights Activists-the very side that created the legal rights that the black community enjoy today

What a nice rewriting of history.

Socialists within the early labor movement (ie the men's movement) were the single biggest group pushing for mixing the races together which they did in their labor groups even as other unions were usually segregated.

There is no neutral stance for human rights. We already live in a society that put vestiges on black men-which civil rights coalitions have been working hard to combat. Being color blind and refusing to address the inequalities that black men face, benefits the side of white supremacists

I assume this argument against a neutral stance of course never benefits men's rights? No black group or gay group or Jewish group EVER has to talk about the special issues facing men, right? Funny how the same logic doesn't apply in both directions. Funny how those "diverse" groups don't apply their own standards. It's almost as if the whole idea was full of shit and intentionally hypocritical.

When the men’s rights movement claims to not see color, they are inadvertently enabling the racists

No example given. No evidence of the claim.

When black men hear that you can’t address racism because you want all men to feel included

Only anti-MRA bigots would make that lie. Seems to be claiming that MRAs exclude black people to pander to the KKK? Some fucking stupid lie.

Helping “all men” always ends with the black man being shut out of the club

Feels like the feminist is projecting what happened within that movement on to the MRA. It is natural for the feminist movement to concentrate on white women's problems because women are the privileged sex. By contrast most men's issues have a natural parallel with race issues. Prison, homelessness, decreased life expectancy, victims of violence, being falsely accused, separation from kids.... men are "the black sex" and women the white sex in this sense. Even without trying a successful MRA would boost the profile of black issues, but let's face it, it's usually the other way around with MRAs picking at the crumbs after Liberal fascists pretend to care about race and so talk about male issues only through the lens of race. Police violence with BLM is just the most high profile recent cause like that. Unlike feminists like the author presumably is, the MRA don't have billions of dollars from the government. The MRA aren't in a position to campaign for other issues, nor do they have a total lack of their own issues that they need to disguise, like feminists.

Vista_Seagrape · 2021-07-21T02:58:29+00:00

It's not a racial dilemma, it's a lie by anti-MRAs that gets believed by the general public.

There is zero racial element to the MRM. If you see a post on this sub about a discriminatory law or hateful quote directed towards white males, that's the fault of the person responsible for saying it, not on us for posting it.

PM_ME_NICE_STUFF1 · 2021-07-21T09:21:06+00:00

Is this just an attempt to promote your blog?

DavidByron2 · 2021-07-21T01:39:41+00:00

Also - twenty plus pages? That's a lot of words just to say "I think MRAs should talk about race more". If that is indeed what you wanted to say which --- honestly it's not clear.

Plus black people would have the least to complain about already. We talk about black race issues. We almost never talk about any other racial minority. And this board has a LOT of input from non-USA countries, even some that don't speak English even as a second language. We get people from actually Africa posting, not just African-American. Had a post about circumcision in Kenya the other day. They have a ton of HIV there which is used to back circumcision. And yes, some tribal male rite of passage stuff. We get people from actual South America, the Middle East, from India, from South Korea. Also of course non-USA "white" countries like Canada, Australia and the UK.

Now if you said we need to talk more about other cultures and nations for example about the special "women's police force" that seem to be increasingly a thing in several countries with Brazil and India leading the way -- I'd agree with that.

https://www.endvawnow.org/en/articles/1093-womens-police-stations-units.html

DavidByron2 · 2021-07-21T00:53:19+00:00

I stopped reading at

The Uncomfortable History Of Black Subjugation

There are precisely zero black slaves left in America. You want to talk about uncomfortable history? Let's talk about the number one casualty of World War 1 and 2 combined. No other group or race even comes close, not even China, and they tried really hard.

What was all of the African continent doing during WW1 and WW2? Essentially nothing.

Angryasfk · 2021-07-21T11:14:34+00:00

Oh of course it’s only “privileged white guys” who support men’s rights! I mean black guys aren’t ever roasted by divorce courts, forced by the state to pay child support for kids that aren’t even theirs, and have never, ever been arrested due to false accusations!!! And women never, ever view black men as threatening! /s

IronJohnMRA · 2021-07-21T11:21:59+00:00

Nonsense. There is no racial dilemma in the MRM. Our position has always been that we accept all persons regardless of inherited characteristics.

xmjones100 · 2021-07-20T23:58:30+00:00

The comments I'm receiving only seem to be making my point of the racial dilemma of the MRM. When you see an article routinely calling out feminism and explicitly telling MRAs that "OUR OPPOSITION" will use race against us until we address these issues, you should be supportive of it.
Instead, I have people in the comments section, ignoring the obvious sections of the article, where I criticize feminists, and trying to identify me as a "feminist" because they're struggling to deal with the criticism. That's a personal issue that you have to handle. It's not my responsibility to fix that.

BornAgainSpecial · 2021-07-21T00:43:22+00:00

The Freedom Club is strictly anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-leftist. One reason for this is that the left has a consistent record of unintentionally (when not intentionally) subverting rebel movements of any kind and turning them into leftist movements. Until now, leftism has had an image as THE ideology of rebellion, so that many persons who join any rebel movement are likely to be left-leaning. When enough leftists have joined such a movement it acquires a leftish aroma which attracts still more leftists until the movement becomes just another socialist sect. Therefore the Freedom Club must completely disassociate itself from any form of leftism. This does not imply that we are in any sense a right-wing movement. We are apolitical. Politics only distracts attention from the real issue.

Title	The Racial Dilemma Of The Men's Rights Movement
Author	xmjones100
Upvotes	2
Comments	41
Date	July 20, 2021 11:07 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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