Anyone know why men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women, but are depressed and attempt suicide much less?

Oncefa2 · 2021-05-11T12:07:35+00:00

There's no evidence that women attempt more. This is mostly an urban legend peddled by radfems trying to play the victimization olympics.

And the difference in depression rates comes from men being underdiagnosed. We're starting to realize that men don't cry as much or even feel sad when depressed. They're more likely to be frustrated or angry and give up instead. If you diagnose these symptoms correctly in men you end up finding that more men are depressed than women.

Btw there's a whole sub that specializes in this niche of men's rights if anyone is interested: r/MaleMentalHealth.

_this_man · 2021-05-11T10:57:29+00:00

I think it's about being hopeless in life.

My guess is that men more often find themselves in hopeless situations. Situations, where, it seems, there is no solution, no way out. So they end their life.

Like imagine being destroyed in a divorce. Wife takes everything, even the kids, you have to play a lot of money to her. You're overworked, depressed, hopeless and you can't see your kids. What is there to life for?

DistrictAccurate · 2021-05-11T11:03:18+00:00

Suicide intent has been studied a lot and shown that not all attempts are created equal. The idea that differences in suicides could simply be explained by methods is outdated and incompatible with reasearch. Men suffer significantly more serious suicide attempts.

Suicide intent data from 5212 participants was included in the analysis. A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females (p < .001). There was a statistically significant gender difference in intent and age groups (p < .001) and between countries (p < .001). Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005).

https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8

furchfur · 2021-05-11T11:43:33+00:00

There are many reasons. But in asian societies the rate is only about 1.2 to 1 male to female. In china the rate for females is higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

I would say:

Societies attitude to disposal males is a big part.

Many more support networks in place for females.

Discrimination against males in health provision

There are vastly more "very financially poor" males in society than women.

Women with children get alot of supporrt in western societies. Single males are ignored by society.

Many women try to commit suicide using drugs since they do not want to destroy their bodies, even in death. Often they are found and brought back to life.

Men use more dramatic and violent means to commit suicide.

Divorced men comitting suicide is very high compared to divorced females. In divorce a man is always the bigger loser. It is a very bad idea for males in western society to get married and have children with current laws and attitudes.

RoryTate · 2021-05-11T13:58:41+00:00

I looked into the academic papers that were being referenced in the idea that "women attempt suicide more", and the TL;DR is that it's really only a single study, and the conclusion is based on the negligent misuse of hospital data that includes all types of self-harm, which pollutes the data for "suicide attempts" with things like anorexia, burning, scarring, pulling out hair, etc. This leads to rather questionable conclusions, such as the assertion that women in their 30's are almost 4 times more likely than women in their teens or twenties to die from suicide, yet thirty-something females appear to attempt suicide significantly less than those groups. If anyone asks the question you do about men, then they must also ask why thirty-year old females are attempting suicide much less than teenage girls, yet die over four times as often from it. Otherwise, a much more defensible argument is that both conclusions are not well established, and we honestly have very little good data on how often suicide attempts are occurring overall, let alone by sex.

As I state in the post:

I focus largely on the definition and measurement of what constitutes a "suicide attempt", and how a lack of rigour in this one area has led -- I believe -- to ineffective policy, general public confusion, and is a large factor in how the epidemic of male suicide has raged for decades without anything effective being done about it.

Ody_ssey · 2021-05-11T14:29:50+00:00

It's not possible that a group can have high suicide rate but low rate of attempts. Not all attempts are successful. So if a group is committing 100 attempts a year, 30% will likely fail. So 70% attempts become suicide rate which is close to real figure of men (75% - 80%). Simple Math that feminists hate.

This is actually a myth that men have lower suicide attempts.

The data for suicide statistics have been polluted in in some rather peculiar ways. Hospitalizations for any self-harm-related injury, no matter how obviously sublethal, are categorized as suicide attempts.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/82-003-x/2001002/article/6060-eng.pdf

Hospitalizations related to suicide attempts were defined as the presence of ICD-9 codes E950 to E959 in the first accident code for a patient discharged alive. This ICD-9 category includes injuries resulting from attempted suicide, as well as self-inflicted injuries specified as intentional, but without suicidal intent.

So that will deceptively inflate the statistics for whichever gender self harms more frequently... which turns out to be girls and women.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25795294

The goal of the current study was to use meta-analytic techniques to better conceptualize the presence and size of gender differences in the prevalence of NSSI (non-suicidal self injury) The results showed that across studies women were significantly more likely to report a history of NSSI than men.

This next study tries to investigate that issue by breaking down "suicide attempts" by degree of actual suicidal intent. They devised a spectrum ranging from deliberate self harm to suicidal gestures to serious attempts to end one's life. Surprise surprise, the self-harm end of that spectrum is more populated by females and the serious-attempt end is more populated by males.

A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females.

There is also an undercounting of men who attempt suicide by hospital staff. A recent Australian study showed that the number of men attempting suicide was much greater based on reports of first responders compared to hospital staff, but the latter being the current source of statistics.

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/media/news/news/2019/05/28/suicide-figures-are-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-new-research

d_nijmegen · 2021-05-11T10:56:58+00:00

Women get more support, and are generally more free to show they don't feel strong in the moment...

Luckily many men are letting go of this narrow view of masculinity. And give their struggling friends a hug and a listening ear.

But life can get really shit.

DigitalisEdible · 2021-05-11T14:33:56+00:00

It’s because a man is made, whereas women inherently have value by virtue of their gender.

A woman can latch on to a man, who will provide for her. Failing that, the government will be there to prop her up. An averagely attractive 18-28 year old woman will ALWAYS have an abundance of options to support her in her life and life goals.

A man doesn’t have this option. A man MUST make something of himself, a poor man has no value to anybody. A woman won’t marry and look after him. The government will let him sleep on the streets, or put him in prison.

Men have 100% of accountability in the direction of their lives. So when they fail, it hits hard. A man carries this on his shoulders for the rest of his life.

Society has no interest in helping men, we’re 100% geared towards offering more to women who already had a cushion underneath them. Men are desolate, if they fail (or feel they’ve failed) then there’s nothing left to live for. This is why the “just cry more” “just talk about your feelings more” movement is such unbelievable horse shit that completely misunderstands the fundamental aspects of manhood. It’s not about being masculine, it’s about having status and purpose. Without these things, a man cannot be truly satisfied, they’re core to our being.

Men commit suicide at a higher rate because when we truly believe it’s over and there’s nothing left in this world for us, we just pull the plug. This is not a world that cares about men even the slightest bit, beyond exploiting us for our labor and our resources. And the suicide rate goes up, because while the government has its knee on our neck constantly, we’re bombarded with anti-male propaganda from both the media and our governments. For a lot of men, none of this shit is worth it.

ThatScoutBear · 2021-05-11T14:33:14+00:00

Cuz we can’t ask a dead guy if they have been feeling down lately and do all that stuff to give them a depression diagnosis

Nayko214 · 2021-05-11T14:34:43+00:00

Depressed is a false statistic as there are far less resources for men for mental health. If anything most of these would be very under reported. I find it extremely unlikely that men are 'less depressed' especially in today's world.

Also the whole 'attempt less' is incorrect in the sense that its a misleading number. Men 'attempt' less because they actually commit suicide significantly more. This means you aren't 'attempting' suicide. Men tend to use more surefire ways to kill yourself, such as firearms and the like. Women use 'softer' methods like trying to OD on pills or so. So basically women 'attempt' more because they actually survive the attempt more than guys do.

DanteLivra · 2021-05-11T17:57:23+00:00

are depressed much less?

Lmao, as if.

Women just have better support and prevention so that's = more diagnostics.

LateralThinker13 · 2021-05-11T18:48:42+00:00

Women tend to attempt suicide for attention. Their solution to a lack of attention is a drama-play of suicide and they do get attention.

Men tend to commit suicide to solve a problem - living is intolerable. They commit the act and problem solved.

Camera-Fisher_Man · 2021-05-11T15:00:11+00:00

Cause we get the job done when it needs to be done we dont wait around thinking about it.

pappo4ever · 2021-05-11T20:50:58+00:00

Men reproductive success depends on showing your strength to women. Attempting suicide is the biggest weakness sign you can display. That's why most men who attempt suicide do it secretly. I attempted suicide at least three times, I'm much better now, but it's my secret and will never tell anybody.

Women don't care, they use suicide attempts to victimize themselves and to win attention and solve problems. Its a cry for help, obviously they will display their suicide attempts like medals to get more help. Men don't cry for help.

hotlinehelpbot · 2021-05-11T10:47:05+00:00

If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, please reach out. You can find help at a National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

USA: 18002738255 US Crisis textline: 741741 text HOME

United Kingdom: 116 123

Trans Lifeline (877-565-8860)

Others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org

S3542U · 2021-05-11T10:52:55+00:00

Because men are beings of action as opposed to females.

LaLechugaAstral · 2021-05-11T13:16:02+00:00

I think men use more drastic measures

MegSaikai · 2021-05-11T14:39:58+00:00

It's just rocket science my dear, Rocket Science.

racealltheway · 2021-05-11T16:41:17+00:00

because its common for women to get help but noo were men we have to act manly and so men cant talk about they need help so we have to suck it up

2021-05-11T16:41:56+00:00

why do you believe men are depressed and attempt suicide less often than women that is not true.

Rottensaltytomato · 2021-05-11T17:12:36+00:00

Men lie and say they're OK. They also don't want to admit to have attempted suicide because we will be seen as weak.

Title	Anyone know why men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women, but are depressed and attempt suicide much less?
Author	WhyYouNormie
Upvotes	45
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Date	May 11, 2021 10:46 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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