Why are females considered more valuable, and yet male gender roles more crucial for society?

Jim_Jim_Sherew · 2020-05-11T22:57:33+00:00

Guinan: "Consider that in the history of many worlds there have always been disposable creatures. They do the dirty work. They do the work that no one else wants to do, because it's too difficult and too hazardous."

Sininenn · 2020-05-11T22:31:41+00:00

Childbirth

AmuseDeath · 2020-05-12T00:12:08+00:00

Humans have an innate bias towards women's issues:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism#Automatic_bias_for_own_gender

Both women and men are biased towards women, with women being 4.5 times more biased. Women on average do not care for men's issues and men are indifferent to it.

Male gender roles have always been important, but it's been more or less phased out due to technology and the government replacing those roles. You don't need a husband for protection when you have police. Women will always be desired because women protect themselves and because men desire women to care for and to give care back. Women tend to commit hypergamy which is unstable attraction to men that have higher and higher statuses. Successful men are fawned over, whereas men who are average or behind are virtually ignored by women or are considered creeps.

ImTheRealBruceWayne · 2020-05-11T22:37:01+00:00

It comes from a deep seated brain structure which causes our brains to construe the world in a mythological light

Ancient societies lived by mythological ideals and though we do not consciously act them out anymore, they still drive us unconsciously today

Females might be considered more ‘valuable’ because the Feminine aspect of existence is the inarticulate chaos that the world is made up of

Male roles might be considered more crucial for society because it is the Masculine spirit that creates the world out of the primordial chaos and brings good order into being

It is then the feminine aspect that will animate it and breathe life into the creation

Simply put, males make the world for females to live in and bring forth new life, only for the process to start again, over and over, for all eternity

I am wondering how this sub will react to these ideas, they are very complex so I apologise if it is unclear

KngpinOfColonProduce · 2020-05-12T04:19:24+00:00

I don't buy that childbirth plays into it, I've never seen a convincing argument for that. I think it's the greater neoteny of women.

Men and women are both neotenous, by quite a bit, compared to other apes. I believe there is a good social reason that this evolved. When in social conflict with someone, third parties are likely to see the more neotenous person as less agentic and empathize with them more. Alison Tieman gives a good example.

On the other hand, men are less neotenous. This has to do with sexual selection. Women want men who are less neotenous, and therefore who look (and, presumably, often are) able to protect, hunt, and compete with other men for resources. This seals men's fate as the ones who look like the agitator/brute/criminal in most conflicts with women. And it seals men's fate as the ones who can die fighting wars and elicit less empathy. Again, Alison nails it.

JKE420 · 2020-05-12T13:02:16+00:00

I disagree. I think both genders play a crucial role in society. One is not more important than the other. The absence of one of either would inevitably end in chaos.

adlerchen · 2020-05-12T19:03:15+00:00

Both are vital. It's too politically incorrect for mainstream voices to admit it, but women abandoning their gender role on masse has been disastrous for society and themselves and us. The difference between the female role of mother and nurturer, and the male role of provider and protector, is that women abandoning their role destabilizes and destroys a society over the course of several generations due to anemic birth rates and delinquent children who can't or won't make something of themselves, while men abandoning our role would destabilize and destroy a society in a heartbeat. You can't have high civilization without both sexes fulfilling their obligations to each other and the system, but the difference is how quickly the collapse would be brought on.

The progressive idea of "liberation" from gender roles remains ludicrous at the present time. What kind of victory is women being "liberated" from men? What kind of victory would men being "liberated" from women be? We need each other, and I'd like to believe that we want each other, but sometimes it can be hard to remain optimistic sadly. Unfortunately we men are starved for appreciation at the present moment. Not just in the general culture which denigrates us and never acknowledges our sacrifices and the necessary work we do, but also it feels like many women have this attitude in our interpersonal relationships. "The future is female". There is no future for the culture that believes this. That society will die over time, and indeed, it is.

obligatory mention of the classic essay The Misandry Bubble

username2136 · 2020-05-12T02:13:58+00:00

Because the female population in a community is one of the biggest determining factors of how many more generations it will survive.

QueenNayru · 2020-05-12T03:03:17+00:00

Historically speaking childbirth would be the root cause of this.

If a man dies, a woman can replace that man with a baby boy.

If a woman dies another woman has to replace that woman with a baby girl.

Couple this with the fact that replacing a person takes approx 9months of down time, then a few years of child rearing. Then it's pretty straight forward why men would be tasked with protecting and providing for the women (as they would have long periods of reduced activity) and women would take a more supportive role/caregiver role.

So in order to even reach this point humans had to place value in women or their tribe/group/society/nation would inevitably fail. Allowing your groups women to needlessly die is to contribute to your own genocide.

Title	Why are females considered more valuable, and yet male gender roles more crucial for society?
Author	IcyChillMikes
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Date	May 11, 2020 10:29 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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