Promoting International Men's Day at my university: my experience

Lethn · 2019-11-21T02:18:58+00:00

Those people were never your friends, unfortunately when it comes to discussing serious issues like this you quickly find out who your real friends and family are. Considering how hostile everybody seems to have been I would make sure to record your interactions with them. This might seem ridiculous and paranoid but I myself have started doing this as standard policy on social media whenever someone tries to get personal and I have a small but unfortunately growing archive of nutcases like this who try to lie about me and claim that I hate women.

Above all though, never ever apologise, one of the reasons that I screenshot my posts is that very often when you turn things around against them and argue the point they actually end up trying to delete the evidence of what they've done because they know they're wrong. Also archive your evidence online perhaps if you can so that they can't claim it was edited as others have pointed out when I've posted this sort of advice before.

So far this doesn't seem too bad but you might want to seriously consider talking to a lawyer about defamation if they start going around telling everyone you're a misogynist and try to drive people away from you. People need to remember that even at university, you are an adult now, you can represent yourself and if you are dealing with bullshit at university you have proper legal channels you can go through when it comes to problems like this.

redditor_aborigine · 2019-11-21T03:23:05+00:00

I'm so sorry. This is terrible. You haven't done anything wrong; quite the contrary.

This is what liberal academia is like now. (It was bad enough in my day, and I think I'm a lot older than you.) Almost all the humanities, including philosophy, have succumbed.

All I can suggest is keeping your head down for a while. I think it will blow over.

PrinceVirginya · 2019-11-20T19:18:57+00:00

The issue is, People tend to be very narrowminded and wont look at things from all sides. Alot of these people look at right wing extremists and Assume all people talking about Male Rights are just like them

What they were doing was very much sexist and indeed was discrinination. If they want to delude themselves that much, you are probably better getting away from them people.

Imagine the backlash if people were to Talk down apon International Womans Day. There is a huge double standard.

problem_redditor · 2019-11-21T10:41:44+00:00

A really common argument I hear from feminists is that "every day is a man's day" and that they don't need more. I honestly have no idea how they can convince themselves of this.

Women are the safest demographic in society and the least often victimised by violence. They are safer than men walking alone at night, but they get "pink parking spaces" and other measures to make them even safer. There are intense social stigmas around male violence against women, it gets nonstop media coverage, and evokes disgust and outrage in those who witness it. Legally, many countries (such as Spain) consider it a special crime, regardless of circumstance. The UN has innumerable initiatives to protect women and girls globally from everything from domestic violence to war rape to sexual assault to child marriage to genital cutting. Every western country (and many nonwestern ones, such as India) has a federal minister, department, commission, etc, on the status of women (and girls), and one of its primary mandates is reducing violence against women (and girls). Most have federal legislation specifically criminalizing it and providing billions of dollars in funds to prevent it and assist victims. A lot of this legislation infringes on long-cherished due process protections that are afforded to any other type of criminal perpetrator.

Fuck, just in the US alone, women have a commission on the status of women in every state, funded by taxpayer dollars. They have a department of Women's Health although women already live longer than men on average. They have a Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women although men are far more likely to be victimised by violence. They get tax benefits for being a "woman-owned business". There are government contracts guaranteed to women-owned (and minority owned) businesses.

And what is the situation for men in comparison? They're the demographic that has worse outcomes in many areas. They're the sex that is more likely to be assaulted and killed, the sex that has a shorter life expectancy, the sex that is more likely to die from suicide, the sex that is more likely to be incarcerated, the sex that is more likely to be homeless - that is the sex that has comparatively few protections. Under the law, the genital mutilation of infant boys is perfectly legal, despite the existence of a body of research which shows that circumcision can have harmful long-term mental and physical effects. Men are equally likely to be abused in a relationship, but they get near to no services, and the US's DV legislation is called The Violence Against Women Act. In all 50 states, boys raped by adult women who get pregnant are forced by law to pay child support to their rapists even when those rapists were convicted, but must apply in court at their own expense if they want to be granted any parental rights to their rape baby. Crickets from the larger public. No one cares.

In light of all of this, how people can delude themselves into thinking that "every day is a man's day" has always been and will continue to be completely incomprehensible to me. And I will never understand how people can convince themselves that one day, one fucking day where men's issues can be discussed, where men's accomplishments and contributions to society can be acknowledged, is too much to ask for.

Feminists are ungrateful, entitled ideologues who push for special rights and privileges for women and never seem to notice nor care about how these reforms they've pushed for harm men.

fgrsentinel · 2019-11-21T00:33:08+00:00

Feminists suffer from what I personally call "core identity toxicity."

Essentially it's like this: when someone believes in something strongly enough, it becomes part of how they define themselves, much in the same way as people who drop their religious/political beliefs into the very same conversation as when they meet you for the first time. For such people, having evidence that their beliefs are wrong or difficult to prove essentially threatens a part of who they are. Depending on how they react to it, they're either "flexible" or "toxic."

The flexible ones look at it, acknowledge that they're wrong when it can be proven (like the woman that made the Red Pill movie) or that it's a perfectly natural difference in beliefs that shouldn't matter much (like people who are religious that meet someone who's atheist or agnostic, but don't care). I've actually become friends with a few Jehovah's Witnesses that not only accept I'm not religious, but are perfectly willing to talk about the bible from a philosophic/moral standpoint rather than a religious one since they know I enjoy such discussions.

The toxic ones, however, view such instances as an attack on their very being. To them, the possibility that something that defines them could be wrong in any way is completely inconceivable and anyone who tries to disprove them is attacking who they are. These people lash out and try to destroy or discredit whoever set them off, which is something you'll often see in die-hard members of a political party or some religious zealots. For these people, the very core of who they are is toxic.

Feminism is worse, though, since every single aspect of their identity is based around falsehoods that paint men in a negative light. IMD is, naturally, something that disproves everything they are by simply existing. Every problem men have that can be proven is a direct attack on a feminst's core beliefs from the very people they've come to hate. This is why feminists lose their minds and try to discredit/remove anyone who has proof that they're wrong.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-11-20T20:21:01+00:00

Just wait until the false allegations against you start.

The local feminist community won’t let you go unpunished.

Weaselur · 2019-11-21T00:52:12+00:00

In my experience from back at the end of High School at least it seems that young women can be horrible when it comes to ganging up on people for social justice issues and feeling superior, while being validated by their peers. Completely bigoted behavior. I think teachers and mothers certainly contribute to that attitude.

Not saying that men can't be the same, but it's almost impossible to not be made out to be the asshole when you're arguing against multiple women who disagree with you strongly.

Resplendent_Fervor · 2019-11-20T20:05:25+00:00

Abandon hope all ye who enter here

1LegendaryWombat · 2019-11-22T02:49:14+00:00

I find it interesting that people jump to the conclusion that everything pro man is anti women. By their own logic that means everything pro women is anti man...which is not totally accurate, but its a darn sight more so that men's day is sexist...just because.

From the sounds of it, those people who ganged up on you only believe the first thing they hear. So patriarchy, white privilege and men bad are all they think. Evidence to the contrary they will either never see because they don't care, or will not believe because it disagreed wit their preconceived notions and it will only anger them, and they will reject it.

While the ones who responded about it irrationally hate you, the ones who remained silent probably think they're bloody nuts.

dontpet · 2019-11-20T20:58:25+00:00

There must be some complaint process you can trigger. Though it could be that there isn't anything beyond loathing you that you can pin down as the poor behavior.

I've complained before. It's good to try out. Means next time it is easier to do. Though I appreciate you might just be hoping they will stop.

If you decide not to do anything now I suggest you get a journal and write down dates, times, and behaviors. That way you can pick them up later if things progress.

Also a great way to unload as your done need to recycle it in your brain to keep it alive.

Title	Promoting International Men's Day at my university: my experience
Author	AbhorrentIngestion
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Date	November 20, 2019 6:56 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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