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[–]M1GarandDad 56 points57 points58 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
inb4 Doobie: "Female genital mutilation is mutilation because there is the word 'mutilation' in it. Circumcision is not mutilation because there is not the word 'mutilation' in it. You are all bigots and perverts."
[–]DancePower 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
tbh if MGM got actually illegal anywhere within the western world he'd prolly flip is shit and scream and pee and fard and
[–]happyunicorn666 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It'S ParT oF CuLtURe, yOu BigOT!!!
[–]apeironman 23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was called a bigot for arguing against the Jewish 'heritage' of circumcision. By a Jew, I assume.
[–]A_one_legged_man 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ask him why he isn't made in gods image. Adam, cain and noah never got circumcised
[–]LockeIsDaddy 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh fuck 💀
[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Every culture that practices female circumcision is non white and non Western. Therefore anyone who criticizes it is racist.
[–]Revy96 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the post was arguing the opposite because it's being advocated against by people from white countries, yet its accepted in them for Male babies to be circumcised
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you god, very cool
[–]theskullcrusher8776 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is nothing good with circumsition
[–]Samantha_Cruz 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
not sure your can cite 'god agrees' since it's pretty clear in the bible that god loves little boys foreskins;
way back in Genesis God tries to kill Moses but Zipporah doesn't want Moses killed, so in Exodus 4 (verses 24 to 26)
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. 25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. 26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
So instead of murdering Moses she bribes god with the babies bloody foreskin and all is forgiven because god loves foreskins... especially bloody baby foreskins.
Circumcision however in the US is not religious in nature (although some people try to claim that it is). It was quite rare prior to around 1890 when the idea was popularized as a means to stop 'masturbation insanity' along with a wholesome diet of boring old corn flakes with no sugar.
There were some attempts to claim circumcision cured or prevented some diseases but these claims were based on some pretty dubious research that is largely discredited. It was mostly to stop the 'evil' of masturbation - there was also a push from the same people to remove the female clitoris for exactly the same reason but that never gained as much popularity.
[–]functionalsociopathy 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Time for some unpacking.
First and foremost there is a world of difference between old testament circumcision and the modern practice. In Moses' day the part of the foreskin that was cut was the bit that extended past the glans, which doesn't remove any specialized glands or structures. The practice that you are familiar with is the amputation of the entire foreskin, usually including the frenulum as well. This eliminates all of the specialized glands in the foreskin, leading to a compromised immune system and poor glans health as it will have to keratinize to protect it from exposure. This also eliminates the frenulum which is a specialized structure with a sexual function. The procedure removes around 20,000 nerve endings compared to the maybe 700 nerve endings at the high end (probably closer to 200) for the old testament procedure. If the old testament Jews (Israelites) used the modern practice their baby boys would likely have had a 95% mortality rate based on the medical technology they had available.
Secondly, circumcision was a covenant that God kept with the Jewish people. This meant that when Moses, the representative God chose for the Jewish people, had a son and chose not to circumcise it (likely at the insistence of his non-Jewish wife Zipporah) God had to either bring Moses' household in line with the covenant or he would need to kill Moses and choose a different representative. The passage indicates that Zipporah reluctantly chose to bring her son into the covenant rather than let Moses be killed.
Thirdly, if God was really interested in foreskins then he would have kept it for Christian practices. We are "circumcised in the Spirit" so physical circumcision is not needed, and is even frowned upon by Paul if Galatians is any indication.
[–]theskullcrusher8776 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Even with a religious intent it should be banned. No parents should force it on their son
[–]Samantha_Cruz 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
agreed; religion is not justification for mutilating a child. if they CHOOSE to have that done when they are old enough to make an informed decision then that is their choice but it is absolutely child abuse to allow mutilation of an infant
[–]DanteLivra 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They hated jesus because he told them the truth.
[–]UnexplainedShadowban 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oy vey, this is anti-semitic!
[–]Gutotito 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not that I disagree, but... eh... isn't he the one who started all this shit?
[+]Thatgirl318 -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Sure they both could be considered mutiliation Female genital mutilation in on another level compared to circumcision.
At the lowest level, there’s the clitoridectomy. That’s the complete removal of the clitoris. It’s basically like cutting off the head of the penis (or even the whole thing) considering the number of nerve endings there are.
Then on the next level there’s the removal of the labia. This alone would be comparable to circumcision. Except in FGM it typically happens when their 10 (not a baby) and there’s no anathesia.
At the last level they sow skin over the vagina and the Urethera so she can’t have sex. Everything, period blood, urine, etc, comes out of a small slit at a bottom. On her wedding night, the husband literally has to cut her open so they can have sex. This can create severe medical problems (for obvious reasons).
In the end the closest comparison is removing the head of the penis then sowing the penis onto one of their legs.
[–]SwiggityStag 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The most common form of extreme FGM is removal of the clitoral hood, second most common is the removal of the labia minora. Total removal of the clitoris is very rare. Also, what makes removing parts of a 10 year old child without anaesthetic worse than removing parts of a several day, week or month old child without anaesthetic?
Also, the VAST majority of FGM is small cuts, pricks or piercings on the clitoral hood or labia minora.
[–]Thatgirl318 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Actually Type 1 and Type 2 (so removal of the clitoris and labia) account for 85% of FGM https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-genital-mutilation
[–]SwiggityStag 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
That's because most of the other kinds are labelled as FGC, not FGM for those purposes. Also, the VAST majority of FGM is voluntary, and type 1 is usually removal of the clitoral hood, not the clitoris.
[–]Thatgirl318 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It literally listed as Type 4 in that article (general pricking and piercing etc)
If you don’t believe me here’s another article that says the exact same stuff.
https://www.unfpa.org/resources/female-genital-mutilation-fgm-frequently-asked-questions
I mean it’s voluntary in the sense that the community/their parents/most people they know pushed them to do it. They had little other choice. It’s stilled called forced marriage even if they actually said the words “I do” because everyone around them were forcing them to.
If you want to know the reasons more about the cultural shame https://www.actionaid.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/violence-against-women-and-girls/why-fgm-is-so-bad
[–]SwiggityStag 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you ever noticed that type 1 and 2 are always put together in the 85% statistic? That's a form of data manipulation. Type 2 is only slightly more common than type 3. Type 1 in itself is data manipulation in how its presented, because the vast majority of type 1 FGM does not include removal of the actual clitoris at all, it almost entirely consists of partial or total removal of the hood, which is, perhaps, comparable to circumcision. (That said, the foreskin has more actual function and nerve endings than the clitoral hood.)
Trying to decide which one is worse than the other is, in itself, stupid. Complaining about people calling genital mutilation what it literally is because you don't think it's as bad is stupid. We're allowed to dislike more than one horrible thing happening to more than one group of people.
It is absolutely indisputable that circumcision is a procedure that, at best, permanently damages sexual function, and at worst, permanently causes serious, life destroying damage and pain to and even kills countless newborn babies. In ALL non-medical cases it is done either for religious reasons just like FGM, or to uphold some ridiculous, fucked up societal standard that penises are ugly and "unclean" if a large portion of their functional tissue isn't removed. It's also seen as completely acceptable in fully developed countries to perform the procedure without any anaesthesia, and honestly, cutting off part of someone's body for no medical benefit before they're even old enough to understand or make that decision themselves is just wrong.
[–]jmkiii 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You have a substantial amount of bad info here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
[–]Thatgirl318 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
For the first half I got my information from WHO (World Health Organization) https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
Which I consider a better source than Wikipedia
Here are the various health aspects from the NHS https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutilation-fgm/
I will take my punishment for the 10 years thing because it ended coming from a mashable article. https://mashable.com/2015/08/09/female-genital-mutilation/
[–]jmkiii 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What about sewing the penis to a leg? Where is that from?
Clitoridectomy or clitorectomy is the surgical removal or partial removal of the clitoris. The clitoris is only analogous to the glans, but you say "It’s basically like cutting off the head of the penis (or even the whole thing)."
The thing that likely got you the downvotes, "Female genital mutilation isn on another level compared to circumcision," really goes to the heart of why MRAs exist. We are talking about mutilation of babie's and children's genitals. It's all horrible. None of it should happen. There are so many things that seem to be worse in the eyes of society just because victim is a woman. Mutilating babies is wrong. We don't need to have a pissing contest over who is the bigger victim. STOP ALL OF IT.
[–]Thatgirl318 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If it was just the labia being removed I wouldn’t have said anything. The labia is roughly equivalent to the foreskin. Neither one should happen, and if feminist were making a big deal about the labia removal only, I would be completely on your side. Or now that I think about it, just the removal of the clit’s hood. But that isn’t what’s happening.
The reason I said cutting off the penis head was because the clitoris has roughly 8,000 nerve endings, double that of the penis. The head of the penis is roughly equivalent to clitoris. https://www.health.com/mind-body/10-things-you-never-knew-about-the-clitoris The female equivalent of the penis isn’t the vagina, it’s the clitoris. https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/12-things-everyone-should-know-about-vaginas-20150114/the-female-version-of-a-penis-and-scrotum/
The clitoris isn’t just a gland. It a large part of a women’s sexual pleasure. A lot of women require some form of clitoris simulation to orgasm. Remove the clitoris, and some women can no longer orgasm. Chances of having an orgasm would probably be reduced significantly. I was trying to think of something equivalent.
When I said sewing the penis with the leg thing, I meant that part of your skin would have to be ripped apart in order to have sex (or to masturbate). In type 3 FGM everything is Barbie doll smooth down there because everything about women’s genitals is removed or sewn away. That was the closest I could get to creating a comparison between losing your gentiles (for men) yet still be somewhat reversible.
[–]SwiggityStag 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Labia aren't even vaguely comparable to the foreskin. The foreskin holds the vast majority of the nerve endings in the penis, and is responsible for most of its intended function.
The clitoral hood is the anatomical female equivalent of the foreskin. Except in women, the clitoral hood only really serves to protect the nerves of the clitoris from over stimulation and keratinisation, whereas in men, it protects the head of the penis in the same way, as well as providing the intended mechanical function during sex (circumcised men almost always need additional artifical lubrication for sex to avoid pain for both partners) as well as preventing infections and other damage.
Your knowledge of human anatomy in general seems to be pretty lacking.
[–]567swimmey -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That literally proves what they said...
[–]jmkiii 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They said several things. Some are true and some are not. For instance:
> typically happens when their 10
From wikipedia:
> In half the countries for which national figures are available, most girls are cut before the age of five.
[+]RIPOldAccountF -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Uhh it started cause of you though
[–]jmkiii 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OP is not actually god
Unironically some people need this cleared up
[–]A_one_legged_man 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Nope. We are already made in gods image. And I sign no covenant with god if I am not a jew.
[–]RIPOldAccountF -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Who cares about you or your opinion? I am saying that the religion is what caused or at least spread out the notion of mutilation of males as a good thing.
[–]SwiggityStag 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Actually, one Christian nutcase was the one who popularised MGM in America. The dude who made Kellogg's cornflakes. It wasn't really practiced in Christianity for centuries before then.
[–]LockeIsDaddy 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Which is pretty crazy bc Jesus clearly couldn’t give two shits about someone’s cock
[–]SwiggityStag 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't the whole basis of Christianity that Jesus died so that people didn't have to worry about, like, 90% of things that Judaism prevents people from doing?
[–]A_one_legged_man 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I could ask the same question to you.
[–]RIPOldAccountF -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well I'm not the one giving his useless irrelevant opinion, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the bible god but then again he contradicts himself plenty in the text
[–]A_one_legged_man -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are doing that. Blocked.
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