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New Zealand, in a "historic first" creates world's most easily abused DV law.

Hirudin

July 26, 2018
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/26/new-zealand-paid-domestic-violence-leave-jan-logie
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Title New Zealand, in a "historic first" creates world's most easily abused DV law.
Author

Hirudin

Upvotes 97
Comments 42
Date July 26, 2018 6:28 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/924tru/new_zealand_in_a_historic_first_creates_worlds/
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[–]Ted8367 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

New Zealand has one of the highest rates of domestic violence in the developed world, with police responding to a family violence incident every four minutes.

My prediction is that this law will lead to an increase in the NZ DV numbers:

Domestic violence victims do not have to provide proof of their circumstances, and will also be entitled to fast-tracked flexible work conditions designed to ensure their safety, such as changing their work location, changing their email address and having their contact details removed from the business’s website.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not just that. After years of direct and merciless abuse of this law you will find an ever growing contingent of businesses unwilling to hire women. This is retarded and ultimately self destructive.

[–]Incident-Pit 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's worse than that even. 10 days paid leave is nowhere near enough to help out true victims of serious DV but it is damn sure more than enough to put a significant dent in a small businesses' bottom line that month.

Who does this actually help?

[–]ReadVotePostRepeat 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Big business squeezing out the little guys. Costs and regulations for thee, but none for (((meeee)))!

[–]auMatech 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why there are quotas for women to be hired.

[–]Vandechoz 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sounds like the perfect law for feminists:

appears to help victims, and boosts the numbers of apparent victims at the same time

[–]Yoda300 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guess who will pay for it in the long run

[–]thrway_1000 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great, more abuse of the system.

Archive -- https://archive.is/QYqbA

[–]Rethgil 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago* (25 children) | Copy Link

So let me get this straight....

If a woman has no talent, no money and no powerful friends she can STILL find a socially accepted easy way out by....

a) webcamming naked to get by financially

b) get loans or support or help from countless women only charities, grants & funds

c) ...and now she can also claim to be 'upset' by a man, which passes for domestic violence these days (literally in many countries), to get a wage, and/or get knocked up to get a house. Regardless of whether its the truth, regardless of whether she is a toxic mother.

Oh I forgot one...

d) ....whore herself to some celebrity then claim rape and get rich from TV, book or court money.

And what choices do men have by comparison?

a) work hard until you die

b) work hard until a court says you have to give a woman half your money, then die

c) work hard until you get sued by a woman who claims you upset her. Then die.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

a) webcamming naked to get by financially

Is that really "socially accepted"? And would you be happy to masturbate on camera to get by?

[–]ReadVotePostRepeat 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in south Florida, the webcam whore capital of white girl porn. Every other girl down here is either doing it or has done it. Prostituting in college is all the rage right now. However they all absolutely abhor stripping.

If only you knew how bad things really are.

[+]skwishy29 -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Most of the examples of things women can do were things that you’ve literally seen like twice so it’s not that big of an issue. Robbing banks is an option to get money, but most people are morally sound and don’t, just like 99.9999% of women aren’t going to do any of this shit.

Edit: and their pay for domestic violence lasts 10 bloody days! OH NO

[–]Ted8367 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Robbing banks is an option to get money, but most people are morally sound and don’t,

The ones who do, however, cause serious damage.

[–]skwishy29 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

So are you implying that being moved from your work and getting 10 days leave causes serious damage?

[–]Ted8367 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the size of the organization, but small employers could be particularly damaged by having to find 10 day's pay, per year, per affected employee. The money comes from the employer, not the government.

[–]skwishy29 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

People don’t use sick days what makes you think they’ll use these

[–]Ted8367 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Here's a post from an actual employer:

https://old.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/92666e/international_applause_as_new_zealand_approves/e33u4kq/

Note where he writes

I've hired a fair number of people over that time. The employment contract says everybody gets five days sick leave per year. Some people use hardly any sick leave. For those people, in theory I could not bother keeping track of how much sick leave they have, for all the difference it would make, they'd never use it all. Other people use all the sick leave they have, they're permanently at or very close to a zero balance.

I've known such people, although I'm not an employer.

[–]skwishy29 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I know it’s all subjective guessing, but do you think people will use this to the same extent?

And how is this a men’s issue when the paper doesn’t mention sex and the law doesn’t either? If they don’t ask for proof then I think this is a step up for men who are usually doubted

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

do you think people will use this to the same extent

My opinion: of course they will. It will be seen by those people as an entitlement.

And how is this a men’s issue when the paper doesn’t mention sex and the law doesn’t either?

The bill has gender neutral wording, but everybody knows how it will be applied. The bill's author, Jan Logie, let it slip in a radio interview:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018655200

At 1:31 she says

Too many businesses just don't know how to respond. They either don't see it and they lose great staff, or they just lose the productivity because everyone else in the workplace is kinda trying, spending all this time trying to work out: how do they keep her safe, and not having the support to to know how to do that. This provides the employers a framework.

[–]skwishy29 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know why people here get so mad about that. Of course they say “her”. Even I say “her” because women are the most affected by it (like you’re probably not going to say “he” when talking about breast cancer even though guys can get)

What’s important is the bill doesn’t ask for evidence, reasonably anyone can use despite what might be its intentions

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll occasionally take sick leave just because I know I have it there. It's like free days off. But I also work for the government and make no difference in my job so it's not a big deal.

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reasoning seems to be: it's in the employment contract, use it or lose it; they're just following the rules, as agreed. If you challenge that by saying inventing "sickies" is dishonest, the reply usually is: if the tables were turned the employer would do it too (that is, go back on the agreement if they could get away with it.) Which, in my experience, does happen.

[–]ReadVotePostRepeat -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ALL women use manipulation and false accusations pretty regularly, some just less noticeable than others.

[–]skwishy29 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All people use manipulation

Any proof it’s pretty regularly? You know if you don’t have ANY proof this is pretty sexist right?

[–]Dr_Dornon 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

On the plus side, it doesn't seem gender specific, so it would benefit both male and females.

[–]Hirudin[S] 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lets not kid ourselves. For all intents and purposes this is going to only go one way.

[–]GileadGuns 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The language in the bill itself isn’t, but read the comments from those interviewed for the article. Every response is gender specific.

[–]GrapeCulture69 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or dirtbag couples are going to take turns being the DV victim, or just do it at the same time for a couples vacation. I'm kinda jealous

[–]Rethgil 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Troll, idiot, or naïve?

I can accept the third one, otherwise fuck off with the trolling/derailing.

In order to GET the money, you'll need to be BELIEVED.

So are you SERIOUSLY claiming there's NO imbalance in a woman or a man getting believed to be attacked by the opposite sex?

With all the media, legal and cultural bias thanks to feminist lies?

So.

If you were naive, you're not now the flaw in your logic has been highlighted.

If it wasn't that then I reiterate; fuck off.

[–]JackReaper333 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"New Zealand Further Incentivizes False Abuse and Rape Accusations"

Fixed the title for them.

[–]loganblade14 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The new legislation will come into effect in April next year and stipulates that any person experiencing domestic violence will be entitled to 10 days paid leave from work, which will be in addition to standard holiday and sick leave entitlements.

[+]skwishy29 -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t even mention sex in this so why is it here?

most easily abused DV law

Plenty of laws are abusable, or easily breakable. But as humans, most of us aren’t running around abusing or breaking laws are we? I feel like in your mind every other woman is going to be faking domestic abuse for days off, when in reality both sexes will rarely be using this incorrectly because people are better than you think

[–]Ted8367 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t even mention sex in this so why is it here?

There's always an undercurrent of sex.

most of us aren’t running around abusing or breaking laws are we?

Depends on the expected penalty:

Domestic violence victims [undercurrent] do not have to provide proof of their circumstances,

...

and the reward

...

entitled to fast-tracked flexible work conditions designed to ensure their safety, such as changing their work location, changing their email address and having their contact details removed from the business’s website.

Oh, and ten day's paid leave too! You'd be silly not to take it, it's an entitlement!

[–]skwishy29 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There’s no undercurrent of sex. I’m going to consider it as something only in your mind unless it explicitly says it, otherwise you could just claim “there’s always an undercurrent of race” on an article and it claim it racist.

No it doesn’t depend on the penalty, you pulled that out of your ass.

Hitting my child: no way anyone will find out, don’t do it anyways

Speeding on a literal desert highway: no one will find out, don’t do it anyways.

We’re moral beings who understand the reason laws are in place

such as changing their work location, changing their email address and having their contact details removed from the business’s website.

Lol you have this under the words “and the reward”? How is this an amazing reward honestly I’m so confused I think you just quoted some random part of the article and slapped “and the reward” on it

oh, and the ten days paid leave too!

You heard of sick days? Most of them aren’t used even though you don’t need to prove you are actually sick

Why do I even argue, you’re probably so biased you’ll just ignore this and go right back to “women abuse everything reeee they’re evil” and call me a feminist

[–]Ted8367 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There’s no undercurrent of sex.

Naif.

How is this an amazing reward

Special treatment is the reward. Special snowflakes need it good.

You heard of sick days? Most of them aren’t used even though you don’t need to prove you are actually sick

She would be giving up a chance to support the sisterhood and draw attention to the cause. Reprehensible, wouldn't you say?

call me a feminist

OH NO! Even I wouldn't do that.

[–]skwishy29 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok bye. If my opinion on a clearly subjective area is considered ingenious, and you think being moved away from an area where you are being abused is special treatment and a reward, then I don’t think we can agree on anything. Keep using the word snowflake to demean people having emotions

[–]Ted8367 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your reaction, not unexpected, is a good illustration of my point.

Ok bye

Bye!

[–]antilopes -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No medical certificate is needed for sick leave under 3 days, yet most people without kids do not use up all their sick leave. The vast majority of people are going to take exactly zero days of DV leave in their whole life.

[–]Ted8367 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess then that your prediction is no change in the NZ DV statistics in the future.

My prediction is that we will see an increase. NZ already has the worst DV statistics in the OECD, and that's after thirty years or so of the women's refuge movement. Cue the usual "correlation versus causation" trope; but it makes you think, no? Me anyway.

We will have to wait and see.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No I did not make that prediction. Making it easier to report and get support naturally will cause an increase in reporting.

Any kind of publicity on DV causes an increase in reporting. Worthwhile initiatives are sometimes held back until resources are readied to deal with the increase in reports.

Comparing statistics for DV and SV between countries is hard for several reasons but my impression is NZ and Australia do have a genuine problem.

[–]stormitwa -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't fully understand the problem here.

[–]Ted8367 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One problem is that it's a charge on employers. It depends on the size of the organization, but coming up with 10 day's pay a year per aggrieved employee could hurt small employers. The opposition party made this objection, arguing that the money should come from the Government; but were overruled.

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