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Most of the 53 people who died in Montreal heatwave were older males living alone

ThereAreThings

July 19, 2018
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-of-the-53-people-who-died-in-montreal-heatwave-were-older-males-living-alone-1.4018647
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Title Most of the 53 people who died in Montreal heatwave were older males living alone
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ThereAreThings

Upvotes 63
Comments 30
Date July 19, 2018 4:54 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
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Comments

[–]WingerSupreme 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Can anybody who speaks French read the raw data?

Honestly this isn't surprising, and not for anything nefarious. Quebec has a real issue with safety when it comes to heat and people over 50 are most susceptible. The rest is just demographics and psychology - men are more likely to be doing physical labor in the heat and also more likely to try and "push through" as opposed to taking a break.

[–]Eastuss 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nous remarquons la présence de différents facteurs de vulnérabilité à la chaleur chez les personnes qui sont décédées durant cette période : We can notice that the people who died during that period had different vulnerabilities to heat :

  • Majoritairement des hommes vivant seuls Majoritary men living alone
  • Personnes âgées Aged
  • Troubles de santé mentale Mental health issues
  • Dépendance à l’alcool ou aux drogues Alcohol and drug dependant
  • Problèmes de santé cardiovasculaires et respiratoires Cardiovascular and respiratory health issues
  • Pas d’accès à l’air conditionné No AC

Tried my best. Translation is a fucky exercise.

[–]Citoahc 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, just want to point out that your translation is spot on.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It shows men have problems too vs government propaganda that says only women suffer.

[–]WingerSupreme -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Look, I understand the purpose of this sub, but the government has never said or implied that only women suffer, especially for something like heat.

[–]ThereAreThings[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I shared this article because I think it's a good example of a news outlet paying attention to men's issues.

[–]GL1TCH3D 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm at work and I'm not going to start digging for tons of references but I remember seeing a clip from the UK where parliament refused to acknowledge men's day, only women's day should be recognized. Governments spend a ton more on women's projects as well.

[–]WingerSupreme -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay...but that's not the same as saying "only women suffer"

[–]Wisemanner 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No doubt the Canadian government will be pleased with that.

[–]Eastuss 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IT IS BECAUSE TOXIC MASCULINITY MEN DONT WANT TO DRINK WATAR

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Plenty more where that came from!"

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society only cares about men who produce for it.

Archive -- https://archive.is/KRgHc

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The majority of those who died during the June 30 to July 5 heatwave – the city’s deadliest since 2010 – were men older than 50 who lived alone, according to the preliminary report.

Other risk factors included mental health problems, alcohol and drug dependency, cardiovascular and respiratory conditions and a lack of access to air conditioning.

In fact, none of those who died had air conditioning.

Air conditioning can help? Wow, whoda thought it?

I would think that there are other measures that might help, showers can cool you off and keep you cool as you dry, a spray bottle can help, and a trip to the mall (if possible) during the worst of it can't be a bad idea.

But perhaps a more important point is that these men were likely socially isolated, so no one was checking up on them or giving a call to say hello.

[–]BetterOut 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure how this is a men's right issue. It's more an issue of self care, or encouraging people to look out for others, particularly the elderly who live alone.

[–]ThereAreThings[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's an example of mainstream media actually paying attention to men's issues. It's a welcome change.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It shows men have problems too vs government propaganda that says only women suffer.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

How neglected by society were those men that they died in temps that didn't even reach above body temp?

[–]Rolten 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

You can't always fully define it as neglect. Heat makes sleep more difficult, and even if you do sleep it makes it more difficult for your body to recover from the day as it's busy not overheating.

Or something along those lines, read it somewhere recently.

You can take measures against it, but 30+Celsius being deadly happens in a lot of Western countries.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I'm in a western country and it is going to be well over 100f (108 predicted) today. 30+ C isn't that bad. All you need is some form of shade, plenty of water, and make sure to consume electrolytes.

[–]WingerSupreme 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's simply not true, though. And the idea that anything below 37.8 C isn't gong to kill you is kind of strange as well, that is incredibly hot.

A big issue in Canada (compared to the Southern US) is the humidity makes it impossible to "escape" the heat, even in shade. I noticed that when I was in Vegas, 35 there and 35 in Toronto are two completely different feelings. Part of it is also that your body adjusts to what it is used to - this is why 15 in the spring feels a lot warmer than 15 in the fall. A person who lives in Jamaica will handle 35 better than someone in Montreal.

Also the article notes that most of these people had respiratory problems and/or alcohol and drug issues as well as living without air conditions, so there are other factors in play. Healthy people don't drop dead in a heat wave, those with mitigating factors will

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A big issue in Canada (compared to the Southern US)

Yeah... the south has LOADS of humidity, try living within 50 miles of the gulf coast in July.

[–]WingerSupreme 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I should have been more specific, I was thinking more Vegas/Arizona/Texas which is obviously not the same as Miami for humidity

[–]Citoahc 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand how brutal the heat was.

Because of humidity, at the peak of the heatweave, the temperature reached 47-48 celcius. which is about 118. It was around 45+ for 6 straight days. Again, because of the humidity in the air, shade doesn't help, the heat is always there.

I went outside to buy something at gas station which is about 50 meters from my place. When I came back, my shirt was soaked. I'm in shape and I am young, walking 100 meters round back isn't something that should make me sweat.

Humidity is so bad here that even when you look at temperature, we have 2 units of measurement, "temp" and "feels like" which pretty much give you the temperature with humidity factored in. I have no idea why they don't scrap the first one and just use the 2nd one because everyone uses it.

The people who died were mostly older folks with no support and more importantly, no AC.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Daily highs ranged from 31.7 C and 35.3 C during the heatwave and the humidity made it feel as warm as 45 C.

Basically the "heat index" is just a method of stating the effects of the humidity. It isn't really that hot, and the only thing it really effects the efficiency of sweating.

Again, if it isn't above body temperature isn't so bad if you know how to deal with it. Drink loads of water, stay in the shade, and run fans keep air moving.

Source - lived in Texas all my life, including many years in Houston.

[–]Chronoguy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You have to remember that in many places homes are not able to keep cool or get rid of the heat. I'm down under so anything less than 40C (104F) is just a warm day. But here most all houses have air conditioning, and those that don't will have good shade, good air flow etc. Everyone also knows how cool off, keep drinking etc.

But in somewhere like England, houses are designed to trap air and keep the heat, people don't have air con and don't know what to do when it is really hot. They can have a heatwave with temps as low as 30C.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

temps at 30c is not a heat wave.

[–]Chronoguy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You have completely missed the point. It all depends on what the area is used to. e.g.

In the Netherlands, a heat wave is defined as a period of at least 5 consecutive days in which the maximum temperature in De Bilt exceeds 25 °C (77 °F), provided that on at least 3 days in this period the maximum temperature in De Bilt exceeds 30 °C (86 °F). This definition of a heat wave is also used in Belgium and Luxembourg.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is what we call a pleasant day here in Texas.

[–]Aivias 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where I am it is. Thats like 12c higher than the yearly average. England was simply not designed to cope with heat like that. Then thers also the compounding heat island effect where you have the sun and the heat reflected back up at you from the roads. And the roads melt too because, again, this country was simply not designed with temperatures over 22c for a month and a half in mind.

Air conditioning here is a business thing. Ive never seen a home with AC integrated.

[–]Rolten 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah, you'll live. But try being old.

Apparently there's 27 different ways to die due to a heatwave. https://www.scientias.nl/hittegolf-mens-op-27-manieren-doden/

In a month in the Netherlands in 2015 300 extra people died due to a heatwave. https://www.nu.nl/gezondheid/4098554/driehonderd-extra-doden-hittegolf.html

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