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Woman who raped, tortured, and murdered a 17-month-old boy gets 23 years to life in jail

HeForeverBleeds

April 26, 2018
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Title Woman who raped, tortured, and murdered a 17-month-old boy gets 23 years to life in jail
Author

HeForeverBleeds

Upvotes 305
Comments 45
Date April 26, 2018 10:12 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8f6nfc/woman_who_raped_tortured_and_murdered_a/
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She will only be eligible for parole after 23 years, so she may or may not serve more time

[–]The__Tren__Train 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think anyone would want to play a part in giving this monster parole.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait how do u rape a 17 month old boy..... Oh shit that's fucked up

[–]disayle32 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At long last...justice. It's still probably lower than what a man would have gotten, but not by quite so much.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I never agreed with getting rid of the death penalty. There's an argument against it, but what drives me mad is the possibility of getting out after X years. I remember that guy who murdered his grandmother in NYS with a hammer and got 18 years. Then he went on to commit arson and murder 2 firefighters.

You are a murderer, you deserve to be put out of society forever.

[–]Vwar 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I have no ethical qualms with killing certain types of murderers, but the death penalty should still be abolished. Lawyers and judges and police are often corrupt and incompetent, and there are all sorts of historical examples of states framing people outright, even in western democracies. We should not be affording states with that sort of power.

There is an excellent and profoundly disturbing film called 10 Rillington place, based on a true story, which led to the abolishing of the death penalty in England.

Timothy John Evans (20 November 1924 – 9 March 1950) was a Welshman falsely convicted and hanged for the murder of his wife and infant daughter at their residence at 10 Rillington Place in Notting Hill, London. In January 1950, he was tried for and convicted of the murder of his daughter. He was sentenced to death by hanging, a sentence that was later carried out. During his trial, Evans had accused his downstairs neighbour, John Christie, of committing the murders.

Three years after Evans's execution, Christie was found to be a serial killer who had murdered six other women in the same house, including his wife. Before his execution, Christie confessed to murdering Mrs. Evans. An official inquiry concluded in 1966 that Christie had also murdered Evans's daughter, and Evans was granted a posthumous pardon.

The case generated much controversy and is acknowledged as a serious miscarriage of justice. Along with those of Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis, the case played a major part in the abolition of capital punishment in the United Kingdom for murder in 1965.

Incredibly, Christie actually testified against Evans at the trial! Whereas Evans was a lower class, low IQ worker, Christie was an intelligent, well spoken, middle-class raised serial killer.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Sure, there are lots of examples of injustice and yes, the courts and police comprise of some of the biggest idiots and sociopaths imaginable. I still don't find the argument that injustice and corruption are enough to abolish the death penalty as a permanent solution.

The government should be forced to comply with the law, and, if the people are unable to maintain their government's compliance with the rule of law then they have bigger problems than criminal injustice. A good example is the US where abolishing the death penalty means nothing, as the society is in utter and total decay. I definitely agree that in the context of the US, there should be no death penalty but that's not solving the issue. An innocent person will usually never get exonerated; it's quite rare. In this sense, life in prison is just as much of an injustice to the innocent.

There's a lot of things that kill people by accident or on purpose, and these things can never be eradicated from society. I believe the benefits of the death penalty within the framework of a legitimate authority outweigh the risks.

[–]Vwar 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I still don't find the argument that injustice and corruption are enough to abolish the death penalty as a permanent solution.

This is similar to the feminist belief that it's okay if some innocent men are convicted of rape if actual rapists are more likely to be punished. It's worse in fact, since if the state murders an innocent man there is no hope of exoneration.

I believe the benefits of the death penalty within the framework of a legitimate authority outweigh the risk

That's easy to say, since you haven't been wrongfully convicted of a crime. The benefits of keeping potentially innocent people alive far outweigh any supposed benefits of the death penalty. Except for Iran, China, and various third world authoritarian regimes, the US remains the only advanced nation to allow the death penalty. Its perpetuation lies in politicians appealing to bloodlust to win votes, not justice.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is similar to the feminist belief that it's okay if some innocent men are convicted of rape if actual rapists are more likely to be punished. It's worse in fact, since if the state murders an innocent man there is no hope of exoneration.

Feminists hate men as a group of people and are looking for any way imaginable to harm them. I'm suggesting that the presence of corruption and its subsequent injustice are not enough to oppose the actual death penalty for murderers. Maybe I worded it wrong.

That's easy to say, since you haven't been wrongfully convicted of a crime.

If I was, I still wouldn't oppose the death penalty. I would oppose wrongful conviction. I have been a victim of all sorts of injustices. I don't oppose expelling students who sexually assault other students, but I do oppose 'guilty until proven innocent' and anti-male bias.

The benefits of keeping potentially innocent people alive far outweigh any supposed benefits of the death penalty. Except for Iran, China, and various third world authoritarian regimes, the US remains the only advanced nation to allow the death penalty. Its perpetuation lies in politicians appealing to bloodlust to win votes, not justice.

Almost all advanced nations are feminist-controlled (or proto-feminist) social dumps and cultural wastelands. Just because X does differently than Y means nothing to me. I can find many things better about feminist America or Australia than Iran or China, and vice versa. I could argue that feminism is great because advanced societies are heavily feminists but the truth is that's a political appeal to bloodlust and violence, not justice.

[–]Vwar 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost all advanced nations are feminist-controlled (or proto-feminist) social dumps and cultural wastelands. Just because X does differently than Y means nothing to me.

The abolishing of the death penalty in most first world nations had nothing to do with feminism, and was widely supported by people on both the right and the left. As mentioned, in many countries it was instituted not due to moral concerns about executing murderers but the clear and present danger -- which continues to exist -- of murdering innocent people. This is far, far more important than any alleged benefits of the death penalty. That's all I have to say on the matter. States are the most murderous institutions in the history of mankind. Making it legal for the state to kill its citizens is foolhardy in the extreme.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The abolishing of the death penalty in most first world nations had nothing to do with feminism, and was widely supported by people on both the right and the left.

I know. It's an analogy I made, relevant to this sub.

As mentioned, in many countries it was instituted not due to moral concerns about executing murderers but the clear and present danger -- which continues to exist -- of murdering innocent people. This is far, far more important than any alleged benefits of the death penalty.

I disagree and I find this argument to be a weak bypass for real solutions.

That's all I have to say on the matter. States are the most murderous institutions in the history of mankind. Making it legal for the state to kill its citizens is foolhardy in the extreme.

If states are the most murderous institutions then maybe we need to change how we operate states instead of letting murderers live out their lives.

[–]secondaccountforme 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I still don't find the argument that injustice and corruption are enough to abolish the death penalty as a permanent solution.

Why do you think the death penalty is so important to have? What purpose does it serve? Do you think it's a better deterrent than life in prison?

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I do. I can't provide a source right now but there was one woman who tortured a handicapped man because she suspected he "snitched" on her. When spared the death penalty she said something along the lines of "I deserved death, but now I'm here with my sisters" referring to her sentence of life in prison. It's only one example but I think you can grasp where I'm coming from.

The death penalty represents the justifiable limit to punishment. People who commit the worst crimes will lose their lives, and this acts as a deterrent just as much as any legitimate sentence; most people wouldn't dare, but there will always be people who do.

Then what?

It's not justice to let someone live who has killed. They're getting less than they deserve. When you have a gun to your head you'll almost certainly accept life in a prison than death. They're getting off easy relative to stealing someone's life. Life for life removes societal cancer at minimal cost (how much do we have to pay for these murderers to sit in prison for life?) while deterring future crime. I'd argue the deterrent is a secondary while the justice aspect is the most important.

[–]jak_22 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am with you. As long as there is no death penalty (and I am against the dp just because the tiny possibility of making a mistake), there must be the option for a real life term imprisonment.

[–]Alphonetic 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the circumstances of the murder, really. Not everyone kills for the same reason, and for that, we have to give some benefit to murderers. I’m less forgiving of people who induce torture on others simply for the fact that they put their victim through worse pain.

Regardless, the punishment should fit the crime and America is sometimes a bit too jail happy. This mixed with the fact that our prison system should be rehabilitating people to show them the value of life and the error of their ways, but American prison is just a separate hell that only enables bad behavior and fuels further hatred of our society. It’s meant to punish and then treat, without giving people the desire to return, but it barely does anything good, especially knowing they put people like this into the same environment as those who committed fairly small crimes, endangering their lives. It shows just how irresponsible this system is.

[–]StaysAwakeAllWeek 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why there is a distinction between first and second degree murder.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Okay, yes, America has a horrible prison system. The only reason this is a problem is that they don't act as correctional facilities for people who are given temporary sentences ( eg - Robbed a store, got 5 years).

However, I do not make a distinction between murder. Murder is murder is murder. Torture is another crime. If you torture someone I believe this also constitutes the death penalty, even if they don't die. If you torture and murder someone I think you should just be given a worse execution.

If something is ethically wrong then it's wrong. It shouldn't matter why you murdered, only that you did. The maximum punishment can be based on the context but certainly not the minimum.

[–]Alphonetic 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The issue here is that the death penalty for a murder is an eye for an eye punishment, which I’m completely against. The state should not follow such a line of thinking, especially considering the different degrees of murder (I’m assuming manslaughter is fine since it’s not technically murder?). Murderers often have other issues that we have to take into account, and so we should try to understand them at the very least to know how to possibly prevent it again depending on what circumstances caused it.

The state should not devalue any person’s life as they can at least be useful to some degree. The death penalty feels like the state is giving up responsibility, and it can be an awful decision regarding those who are falsely accused (which happens enough to warrant being against it). Death also feels like an unjust punishment, as there is no chance for retribution when I think everyone should be given that chance. I don’t really care if you think I’m too idealistic or something, but I prefer not to let lives waste like that.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The issue here is that the death penalty for a murder is an eye for an eye punishment, which I’m completely against. The state should not follow such a line of thinking, especially considering the different degrees of murder (I’m assuming manslaughter is fine since it’s not technically murder?).

You may be opposed to it, but that doesn't make it unethical or even ineffective. What do we do to cancer? We remove it, often even benign tumors. The same should be done to all societal cancers, like murderers. Sometimes what is removed wasn't cancer, which is why we have pathologists. We still measure the benefits over the risks in surgical intervention because this is ethical and logical (most of the time...don't get me started on idiot physicians).

Murderers often have other issues that we have to take into account, and so we should try to understand them at the very least to know how to possibly prevent it again depending on what circumstances caused it.

The death penalty prohibits them from ever murdering again. "Having issues" is rarely ever a true justification for murder, or any crime.

The state should not devalue any person’s life as they can at least be useful to some degree. The death penalty feels like the state is giving up responsibility, and it can be an awful decision regarding those who are falsely accused (which happens enough to warrant being against it).

When you engage in unlawful battle with me (eg - breaking into my home to harm me) then you have voluntarily made your life forfeit until you have ceased conduct. Likewise, if someone murders, then they have forfeited their life. They stole someone's life, and now their life is the penalty. Don't want to die? Don't murder. Furthermore, their execution is a very useful statement in respect to social order. This is why evil tyrants have employed this tool so heavily. Most tools can be used for both good and evil.

As for falsely accused, there are ways to improve this. There's a lot of things that kill people, innocent people, but we don't ban most of them because they serve an important purpose.

Death also feels like an unjust punishment, as there is no chance for retribution when I think everyone should be given that chance. I don’t really care if you think I’m too idealistic or something, but I prefer not to let lives waste like that.

You have too much sympathy for evil.

[–]Alphonetic 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You come across as far too black and white about this issue.

Sympathy for “evil”?? These are other human beings we are talking about. They can be sociopaths, psychopaths, sadists, etc. but, independent of those factors, they can be victims themselves who could not see other options because they couldn’t see them. People can become monsters as a result of a poor environment, but I think it’s shortsighted to think they can’t change. You seem to be disregarding the possibility of this and that is what I disagree with.

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So when women decide to mutilate and/or murder their husbands it's okay because they may have legitimately had issues?

Murder is black and white. If you are truly guilty of murder you have forfeited your right to live and the blood you shed now demands your death as a penalty. Unless there are some REAL extreme circumstances, it doesn't matter if they might reform. They are being punished by having their lives end early as they willfully did to another.

Also, too many of these scum leave prison and either don't show an OUNCE of repentance or they go on to continue committing more crimes.

So yes, you have too much sympathy for evil, because that's what these people are.

[–]Alphonetic 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn’t that it’s ok. They are still punished because they committed an egregious act, but they still have to serve their time for the act. Life-term sentences are strange to me, but if they make them do something productive, then I suppose it isn’t pointless. Of course, their main focus would probably be to escape, but they can simply be sent to a maximum security prison for this. The only issue then is keeping them alive, but of course they can just pay that off with their labor (that would hopefully make the prison money). Ending their life prematurely prevents them from really being punished, as I see it, and gives a bad view of the criminal justice system if the person was actually innocent of the crime they are being accused of.

In regards to not showing regret, we also have to understand the nature of most (if not all, for America, at least) prisons. These are not rehabilitation centers; they are simply deterrence centers which people would want to avoid being sent to. While there are absolutely people who are psychopathic, sadistic, etc. who would not express regret over their actions, most people just aren’t this way. The environment of a prison is an incredibly ineffective manner of rehabilitation, as someone who becomes accustomed to it will not mind being sent back again. However, for people who originally weren’t very ill mannered, they can become corrupted by such a hostile place, which is bad in regards to people who have temporary sentences.

Also, it does not take evil to commit murder. What if someone was kidnapped (or had a loved one kidnapped) and they killed the kidnapper? What if someone was trespassing and the owner of the property shot them (trying to disable them) and accidentally kills them? And as I’ve kept saying, what if someone was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was wrongfully accused? You can’t just resurrect people. We have to be very careful when determining this kind of judgement. Perhaps those first two instances would be considered more as “self defense” or some such rather than murder, but that last one is one I will always stand by and be the reason I will not support the death penalty.

[–]BoringHair1 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if you murder people in afghan then you're called a hero. It's not black and white from what i see. We clearly take some murder to be good, some acceptable and some to be bad.

[–]loganblade14 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck yea but i think she should get 79 years for the 79 years of that boys life she took.

[–]kevingrumbles 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is wrong with the mother? You can't say there Are no signs that a person is messed up to this extent, unless she let someone she didn't even know watch her kid for 48 hours. Imo charges should be filed for neglect.

[–]J412h 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or child endangerment?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We don't know the whole story but I find it difficult to fathom why she would choose to leave her child with someone who is likely to have displayed numerous behaviours that would make people wary of her.
As for charges against the mother - she has lost her child in the worst way possible. She will be living with that for the rest of her life. Nothing the system could do to her would be worse.

[–]tenchineuro -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As for charges against the mother - she has lost her child in the worst way possible. She will be living with that for the rest of her life. Nothing the system could do to her would be worse.

That's not the way things work when the father is involved.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

give me an example that equates to this - has there been a child murdered where the father left the child in the care of the accused, that ended in the father being charged?

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The courts and police treat men and women differently from top to bottom, from choosing whom to arrest to sentencing. This is known.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn't answer my question. I'm interested in evidence around this, so if there is a case that is similar that backs your assertion, happy to hear about it.

[–]Zero5045 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Between this and the UK murdering that young boy I am done with the internet

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Contrary to popular opinion, men and boys don't get erections only when they want it. If this case doesn't convince people that a guy can get raped I don't know what will, though I'm sure even if they acknowledge it they'll claim it's only a child so it doesn't count.

In case you're wondering, yes, these are the kind of fucked up arguments that people make because we dare to speak about it on this sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems close to an appropriate sentence. Parole shouldn't be an option in only 23 years though.

[–]RedditIsMyCity 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet you she gets released in 10 years on "Good behavior"

[–]GreyTortoise 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Slowly, the pussy pass is disappearing. Good to know.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But, women don't belong in prison.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the sentiment of my criminal defense attorney. We should abolish the death penalty for the most part. But every now and then...just sometimes...someone needs killin’.

[–]GenericPrincessPink 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We just had a local guy torture and starve his 3 year old daughter to death and he only got 5 years in prison and 5 additional extended supervision. He's already eligible for early release programs. Disgusting.

[–]BanSpeech 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even more messsd up is the girlfriend, who was fully involved, only got 8 months. They both should have got the death penalty. Complete miscarriage of justice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5660427/Father-gets-5-year-sentence-daughters-neglect-death.html

[–]Eden987 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love how the article only briefly mentions that she fucking raped this 17 month of child with a fucking pencil. They go out of their way to not say raped. Jesus Christ im not okay after that article.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What was the mother thinking when she left her baby boy with this monster for a weekend? At that age I wouldn't leave my son out of site for five seconds.

[–]watchyoprafintay 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should be allowed to live she should be put down for this. Problem is too many people are against death penalty because of murdering pedophile rapist rights.

[–]93re2 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely horrendous. RIP Anthony.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Bitch needs to rot.

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