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Harvey Weinstein hired private spies to silence accusers, journalists, report says | Toronto Star

omegaphallic

November 7, 2017

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Title	Harvey Weinstein hired private spies to silence accusers, journalists, report says \| Toronto Star
Author	omegaphallic
Upvotes	31
Comments	93
Date	November 7, 2017 6:36 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[+]Doubt_Cloudy1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

This recording makes him seem guilty to me. Why is he trying to get the woman into his hotel room and away from public areas? At 1:05 he apologizes for touching the woman's breast instead of denying it and says he's "used to that." How can he be acting this way if he doesn't sexual assault actresses?

Recording: http://video.newyorker.com/watch/harvey-weinstein-caught-on-tape

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[+]Doubt_Cloudy1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

He says he thought she's "used to that". In no way does either of them mention it was intentional or not.

When he says "I'm used to that," he's saying "I'm used to touching actresses' breasts." How do you even come up with that interpretation of the quote?

Holy hell.. that's so idiotic of a statement, I can't even process a proper response.

Now you're dodging the question. But in the case that you really didn't understand me, I'll rephrase it.

You are arguing that he's innocent (that he didn't sexually assault actresses). Weinstein says he's used to touching actresses' breasts (which is sexual assault), which means he must have done it many times before to other actresses he's worked with. Now refute my argument.

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[–]bufedad 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

More evidence will come out in the trial

How can you possibly know that? Are you privileged to some information that the rest of us aren't?

and there has already been evidence. Witness accounts is legal evidence.

No, it should not be. No one should go to jail on someone else's word alone. Never, ever. That's why so many innocent men end up in jail.

Rather you consider the account to be dubious is up to you but it is evidence.

So, was there evidence that the Duke LaCrosse team was guilty? I mean, the accuser gave witness testimony.

What do you think they will find after all this time? A video recording?

You are arguing MY point for me. You have no chance to defend yourself. You have no ability to gather evidence or witnesses to something that happened that long ago.

The problem with older cases is evidence gets lost and now the case must be based on the victims account of his actions.

Yes... that's the problem with older cases.

By the way you raped me on October 18th 1988.

If you can't find witnesses or evidence to prove you didn't. You are going to jail.

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All big trials like this start with accusations and then evidence will come out as the trial begins. That may be a lack of evidence, evidence to the contrary, or evidence that puts Harvey in jail. Sometimes witnesses are the only available evidence. We can't throw out every case ever because of a lack of hard evidence. That would allow evil people to walk free. Witness accounts are heavily verified and told again and again to check for errors. We can't simply get rid of the rights of victims so no innocent men go to jail. The issue with our court system is that it messes up. The advantage is that when it works properly, everyone has their rights protected. Do you not understand how court procedures work? This isn't the college board system. There are lawyers, strict rules, and the jury. You are acting as if college "courts" are how real courts work. You need evidence. In the case of an accusation then it needs to be backed up. I'll give an example. The rolling stones report on the false rape. Jackie's account of events was proven false. How? By trying to prove her account. The party never happened, etc. The fraternity actually won a defamation lawsuit against the rolling stone magazine.

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Ah yes. Mark Pearson. Where was it that he was charged and later exonerated? Oh yeah the UK. A completely different court system. Try to find an American example next time. We are not talking about the UK.

If you could read your would notice I already mentioned there may be a lack of evidence. However in the Weinstein case there is plenty of evidence and more is mounting daily. Again you completely fail to understand how the American court system works. Both sides need to prove their side. The guilty must prove innocence with an alibi and the accuser needs to prove guilt with evidence. This is not that difficult to understand. I have no idea if Weinstein is innocent. I doubt it. However, to make these insane grasps at thin air to pretend he did nothing is ridiculous. The men's rights movement is not a conspiracy movement. We should not be wasting our time trying to defend Weinstein. He can do that himself in court.

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It's pretty standard to hire detectives to investigate the backgrounds of accusers to discredit them. Nothing new here.

I'd love to find out how many of his 'victims' were paid off and how much they sold the justice of their attacker for? I wouldn't believe a female who took a payoff

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[+]Perrypeeey1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

They took the payoff because money was more important than justice.

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[+]Perrypeeey1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

But not with rosie McGowan. And if they accept the money for charity, that have still sold their right to speak out. If they want to speak out, pay back the hush money or get sent to jail.

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Someone who accepts hush money in any form rather than seeking justice is not credible. If someone can be bought off for money once, there is no way of knowing if someone isn't paying them now to say something. Anyone who for goes justice is guilty in my eyes.

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Rape seldom happens in real life. That is why 93% of rape accusations never result in conviction. It's impossible that 93% of men accused of rape are hyper intelligent enough to get away with it. The fact is that most females have no idea what rape actually is and are convinced that if they feel raped, then that have been raped. This is obviously not the case

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What I do care about is due process.