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Girls' schools are good, says Ofsted boss behind segregation crackdown. Girls only schools are fine boys only schools are not.

furchfur

October 15, 2017
170 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980936/Girls-schools-good-says-Ofsted-boss.html
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Title Girls' schools are good, says Ofsted boss behind segregation crackdown. Girls only schools are fine boys only schools are not.
Author

furchfur

Upvotes 170
Comments 47
Date October 15, 2017 1:42 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/76izyu/girls_schools_are_good_says_ofsted_boss_behind/
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Comments

[–]Ordinate1 63 points64 points65 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

"It is not enough for women to succeed, men must fail."

That's literally where we have gotten to.

[–]The__Tren__Train 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree wholeheartedly.

girls should be educated, boys should be out in the field, working like the foul and brutish beasts of labor that they are

/s

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As I replied to someone else in the thread, I just want to leave this here in the hope the title of this thread doesn't fuel even more ignorance.

She thinks all boy schools are good. It even says so in the article.

She only criticised segregation where it occurs in schools that already have mixed gender attendances.

It seems someone couldn't read when they made the thread and everyone's just happy to get angry over nothing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you're overplaying a bit, though. She frames virtually her entire argument around girls. The segregated schools are disadvantaging girls, single sex schools have done wonders for girls, the deck is still stacked against girls ... and hidden in the entire article that's chock full of references to girls, she slips in 'while boys at all-male institutions may be more willing to take more interest in the arts.'

It's a tiny nod in a sea of concern for female students, but technically you're right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think it's fair to say I'm technically right when the title of this post is absolutely wrong.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She says that they are good for girls because the world is "loaded against women". She said nothing about boy schools being good for boys, just that "boys at all-male institutions may be more willing to take more interest in the arts". Perhaps the OP thinks that arts are not in the best interest of the boys. :D

But, yeah, the title is misleading because she doesn't explicitly say that boys schools are bad for boys.

[+]YupYouMadAndDownvote1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

The only good thing with all girl schools is that there is plenty of pussy for the male teachers to fuck the shit out of and with no competition.

[+]NiceIce1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

But you forget...

Male teachers having underage sex with students = 20+ years in prison.

Female teachers having underage sex with students = probation.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And yet female teachers are about three times as likely to do it as males.

[–]Ordinate1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That and the massive amounts of lesbians they turn out :D

[–]William__F0ster 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ofsted’s Chief Inspector of Schools, Amanda Spielman, warned that schools that practise ‘rigid gender segregation’ must change, even if it upsets the local community. But in an exclusive article for The Mail on Sunday, she defended all-girls schools.

The Ofsted boss argued that single-sex schools were justified as they helped girls overcome the discrimination they still faced in modern Britain.

Puh ha ha ha ha ha ha oh my fucking God, they're not even trying to hide this shit anymore! Puh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sargon was right, it does seem there is a real effort now to import American feminism into British society, as if British Feminism wasn't bad enough.

[–]Insertgeekname 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Segragated teaching has been around in the UK for decades if not longer.

[–]JackGetsIt 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I really don't understand the argument. Why would feminist want girl only schools but boy only schools are bad? What's the logic?

[–]number4ty7 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Logic? Feminists?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Careful! Putting those two words so close together might create a black hole!

[+]NiceIce1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

We are becoming perilously close to the universe ending!

[–]Dancing_Anatolia 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think that's how black holes work.

[–]Jammersault 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Good question, given the relentless attempts to move into male spaces you'd wonder what the benefit is, and to who. Why aren't men and boys allowed to do anything just by themselves? Can they not be trusted? Do they have something that women and girls can't provide amongst themselves, without the presence of men and boys? Why is it so important that women and girls have female only safe spaces like, um, like everywhere but it is seen as irrationally extreme to recognise the same needs in boys? Who decided that nothing on this planet should ever take place without the involvement of feminists? Feminist logic opens up many many questions, none of which the feminists will ever even attempt to answer.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Any gathering of males not supervised by a woman IS a conspiracy against women.

Remember that feminists ALWAYS project.

[–]Jammersault 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Anything and everything is a conspiracy against women, even when women run everything and it still goes to shit haha, it'd be easy to forget how feminists project if we weren't 'educated' on it every 3 and a half seconds. Apart from that, no one would notice

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Anything and everything is a conspiracy against women

It's evolved beautifully over half a century. They've padded and filled the conspiracy almost to capacity. Sort of like filling in the wrinkles with foundation. One needs more as one ages. And you're right, it's almost full.

[–]Jammersault 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's kind of evolved very conveniently almost by design hasn't it. The mind boggles at how much mind bending mental gymnastics has been tossed about during that half a hundred years eh. It's like trying to fathom how big the universe is, ya know it's big but ya just can't quite get ya head around exactly how big haha. The feminist chalice of bullshit is well and truly overflowing.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like trying to fathom how big the universe is, ya know it's big but ya just can't quite get ya head around exactly how big

Do bear in mind that trying to fathom the universe has been "shown" to be both sexist and rapey. By (their) definition fathoming only their ideology in isolation must constitute every misdeed and heresy physically possible in the multiverse.

[–]Jammersault 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hahaha it's limitless the extent that we can play with the stupidity of feminist non reasoning. It's nigh on impossible not to be sarcastic about it and thankfully enough taking the piss is very high up on the lurky micro aggression list, worthy of academy award winning tantrum triggering performances if ya pickin up what I'm puttin' down. There, see, I just can't help myself

[–]Socaddict 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

From the educational research I've read (I'm a Science teacher in the UK), girls to better in single sex schools whilst boys do better in mixed sex schools. I'm not advocating for either, I've worked in single sex (both all boy and all girl) and mixed sex schools and I'd say it varies massively depending on the school more than the mix of the students.

[–]Jammersault 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I think it's obvious that boys do better in all boy environments but girls do better when they are in co Ed environments. It's still a conundrum, I just think you have that the wrong way around. Other than that I agree that what ever the situation, the outcomes will depend massively on the school involved, especially the teachers. If the majority of teaching staff are the lefty feminist types pushing progressive gender identity politics I don't think it matters what the gender make up of children is, they will have a much higher chance of being screwed up.

[–]cthulhuthewarlord 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is this "Logic" you speak of?-Feminist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She thinks all boy schools are good. It even says so in the article.

She only criticised segregation where it occurs in schools that already have mixed gender attendances.

It seems someone couldn't read when they made the thread and everyone's just happy to get angry over nothing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She thinks all boy schools are good. It even says so in the article.

No, she doesn't. She doesn't have an opinion on that in the article.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Got it. Thanks for that!

[–]smeata 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I could be wrong but wasn't there a study that found girls in all girls schools did better than in coed but boys in all boys schools did worse? Or it might have been the exact opposite of that. Either way it wasn't a discrimination thing, the difference was based on motivation vs distraction.

[–]-manatease 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like the Gender Neutral Scouts and the Girl "Power" Guides all over again.

[+]MraBob1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link

What a stupid whore.

Al-Hijrah school in Birmingham was told that its segregation policy on religious grounds was illegal sex discrimination.

What was the discrimination? Where they offering cunts less education than boys?

[+]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

My school had self defence classes that only girls were allowed to attend while the boys had to study. Would you really be surprised if an Islamic school put all of the girls in a room to vegetate while the boys were given religious instruction?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea, but I see no evidence in this particular case. It seems more like a case of "our segregation is better than theirs".

[+]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

All they care about is the outcome for girls. In our culture they see keeping girls away from boys as good for girls, but they know that Islam is terrible for girls so they want to ban muslims from the same segregation.

Fuck universal ethics, it's worth being a hypocrite to get the outcomes you want.

[–]GothicDreamScape -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Girls also do better in school in Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia.

Girls are simply better at school: sitting still, being docile, not rebelling, doing homework, and regurgitating facts. Doesn't matter what country.

Obviously this has nothing to do with "education". It's about training obedient consumers and wage slaves.

[+]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Girls also do better in school in Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia.

Are you an apologist for Islam or did this just come out wrong? Pakistan is a muslim nation, should we talk about girls in Pakistan? Sudan? Niger? Nigeria?

Nigeria is a great example. Basically 50% Muslim and 50% Christian. Which group educates their girls? Not the majority Muslim north. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/may/15/nigeria-girls-education-boko-haram

[–]GothicDreamScape 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You're talking about war zones. Never mind education, half of the boys in those countries end up dead.

[+]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Pakistan was my first example, Pakistan is not a war zone. Half of the boys in Pakistan do not end up dead. You're delusional.

Nigeria is not a warzone. Nigera in 2015 was the world's 20th largest economy, and is larger than South Africa. Half of the boys in Nigeria don't end up dead. You're delusional.

You ARE an Islam apologist.

[–]GothicDreamScape 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a shit about Islam or Judaism or whatever. I DO think the West needs to stop funding, arming and training Islamic extremists. It's been going on for decades and needs to stop.

[+]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

What does Judaism have to do with this? Why are you throwing the "West" under the bus? Since when was this about funding extremists? You're trying to change the subject and throw in red herrings to hide your obvious ignorance. You called Pakistan a warzone. And Nigeria. Why don't you front up the courage to admit you don't know what you're talking about?

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nigeria is a great example. Basically 50% Muslim and 50% Christian. Which group educates their girls? Not the majority Muslim north. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/may/15/nigeria-girls-education-boko-haram

I guess this didn't happen...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/happened-10000-boys-kidnapped-boko-haram/

Boko Haram butchered and kidnapped schoolboys for years. You just never cared.

[–]Jammersault 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Girls do better at school because the entire education system is structured to suit them. I'm not knocking girls abilities, but boys results have been falling constantly as the education system has become more and more feminised including declining male teachers numbers. Boys aren't faulty because they aren't as docile and as good at sitting still as girls. The education system is faulty for failing to provide an environment where boys can thrive. That's why some people think boys can do better in all male schools. And from what I've seen, I'm one of those people.

[–]GothicDreamScape 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agree. Though not necessarily about single sex schools. It's not so much about the presence of females as the manner in which the children are taught. Boys excel with lots of hands on learning, physical activity, emphasis on solutions and creativity rather than rote memorization etc.

[–]Jammersault 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I agree that boys excel exactly how you said. What seems to have happened fairly consistently for quite some time now is that the entirety of the education system has evolved to cater for girls. The more the system is adapted to suit girls, the less boys thrive, and excel. This is what we are seeing. The only sure fire way to ensure this doesn't happen at this moment in time is to keep all boy schools. I'm not against boys and girls playing together or learning together in principle either by the way, I just see the education system failing boys and it seems to be failing boys the most in places where it's all about the girls and progressive gender politics are the order of the day.

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