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Feminist writer at The Guardian calls watching porn on the bus sexual harrassment

shydude92

September 12, 2017
15 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/16/watching-porn-bus-public-harassment-education
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Title Feminist writer at The Guardian calls watching porn on the bus sexual harrassment
Author

shydude92

Upvotes 15
Comments 32
Date September 12, 2017 9:11 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6zpz90/feminist_writer_at_the_guardian_calls_watching/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

It's creepy as fuck and illegal in most places... don't try to defend that shit

[–]Lethn 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about illegal but yes it is weird, however the reaction of this writer is utterly ridiculous.

[–]shydude92[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

My point exactly. Just because it's strange doesn't mean that anyone who does it is a potential rapist

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

it isn't a men's rights issue... no one should have the right to watch porn in public, flash people etc. what is concerning is the writers focus and apparently lack of regard for men, and boys, her stressing little girls, as though little boys want to see dicks and shit everywhere is ridiculously ignorant. But again... complaining about people doing the above... is not a men's right's issue. men's rights should not be associated with the right to be a pervert.

[–]Lethn 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's not what this is about and now you're starting to act as hysterical as she is.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So then tell me why you think this is a men's rights issue?

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because she's trying to turn it into a way of stirring shit up and making it into an issue, she has an agenda and she's trying to make it out that it's 'harassment' the same way that we've seen feminists use any kind of criticism on the internet polite or otherwise and then through the courts use it to attack people they don't like and claim they're all evil people out to harass them.

*Personally, I see it as a form of harassment. *Most people would say that doing it is socially unacceptable and I hope that other passengers would stand up for the person who chooses to object. It is much easier being brave and assertive when you know other people have got your back.

This is a rallying cry, an incitement and while the subject she has chosen to pick to give her an excuse is utterly stupid and ridiculous she clearly wants people to do something about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And what's wrong without wanting people to do something to stop a criminal offense, and even if your area doesnt view it as criminal it's clearly at the last harmful for kids who may be around, it's also weird, rude, creepy... what's wrong with complaining about that? what's with pointing out that this is common and more needs to be done to stop it? the only fault I see is her focus on how it impacts women, but it impacts men and boys just the same... Again.. how is this about the rights of men?

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

and even if your area doesnt view it as criminal it's clearly at the last harmful for kids who may be around

If you buy your kid a smartphone or a computer, you're literally handing them porn. There are people who are of the mind that they want to curate porn for under 18's, so that they can see softcore lovey dovey versions rather than kind/humiliation of women versions.

If you're 12, you've probably seen porn. You're saying that a natural act is harmful for people to view. I and many other people have walked in on their parents fucking before, as kids. What about single room households in China or africa? You know for damn sure they're still fucking even if they have one kid. That's how they get more. But they've only got one room in their house/hut/trash heap.

They're exposing their kids, too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh kids can also mean 3 year olds, not all kids are 12.....

[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not that it's not wrong, or at least objectionable, it's the fact she's trying to define it as harassment, it's part of the continued expansion of definitions, like "hate speech" in order to control behavior.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

no one should have the right to watch porn in public

This is wrong. I agree that you shouldn't watch porn in public. But you have the right to. It's just not a good idea.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No you don't have that right... It's a reasonable limitation

[–]Mythandros 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Proof? You are making an argument, please provide proof. If you need a country for reference, I am Canadian.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of what? That it's illegal section 261(b) cause disturbance c.c... seriously bud don't be lazy .. indecent exhibition.

[–]Mythandros 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The one making the argument is the one the burden of proof is on. Lazy has nothing to do with it. When you make a claim, YOU need to back it up.

Thank you for the reply.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

covered under cause disturbance in Canada, not sure about about america, but it's Section 175 (b) Criminal Code. The writer is not wrong in saying it is a big issue, although her focus on women feeling uncomfortable or whatever is ridiculous, because it also makes men uncomfortable... hence why in Canada it is prohibited...

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, Ill find out if its legal in my area. If so, I'll definitely be taking the bus more often and watching my ipad.

If you have no better argument than "its creepy as fuck", then you're appealing to shaming language/emotion.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I said it's illegal in most places, I said it's damaging to children.... but you know way to cherry pick what i said to suit your narrative.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's places where its not illegal and the second part of your argument isn't proven in any way. That just leaves 'creepy'.

If everyone did it, it wouldn't be creepy anymore.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No woman or girl should be made to feel uncomfortable in this way. No woman or girl should have to do the rapid risk-factor calculation of “do I confront, or will I get hurt?” No child – boy or girl – should have hardcore porn thrust in their line of sight when they are on their way to the Natural History Museum to see the dinosaurs.

This one little bit of writing tells you what an utter lunatic she is doesn't it? Really? Getting that upset over somebody watching porn? I'd feel uncomfortable potentially because yeah you're a bit weird to do that on a bus but it shows you how these sorts of feminists are hysterical liars and can't seem to help themselves.

When it comes to her, no no, this isn't funny, you're supposed to take it seriously because for girls it could potentially be a life or death situation. This woman reminds me a lot of the types of feminists Christina Hoff Sommers has had to deal with in her speeches, exact sort of mentality where they've been turned into hysterical paranoid fantasists thanks to feminist indoctrination when they would have been otherwise nice, normal people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My thoughts exactly. It's weird and I'd never do it, but it's not a personal attack on anybody. Let them perve out in peace. I live in downtown Winnipeg and I've personally seen two women on separate occasions pull their pants down and urinate in public. I just kept walking both times.

[–]Ted8367 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BBC Woman’s Hour producer Siobhann Tighe witnessed a man doing this on a London bus

... and she wrote ...

It had been a long day at work. I got on the bus at 7.30 in the evening and it was cold and drizzly. All the passengers were wrapped up in thick coats, hoods and hats.

Inside, the bus was softly lit and I was expecting to zone out on my way back home: just let the day go and switch off.

I sat on the lower deck beside a complete stranger and didn't give it a second thought. I was just relieved to get a seat. As we meandered through the London traffic, my gaze was drawn to my neighbour's phone. I wasn't being nosy but in the dim light of the bus, the brightness of his mobile caught my attention even though he was slanting it slightly away from me.

Although I didn't mean to or want to, I found myself looking over towards his mobile a few times and then it suddenly occurred to me what was going on. The man beside me was watching porn.


These intrusive busybodies should keep their noses out of other people's phones and mind their own business.

[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"sexual harassment" really does just mean "anything that offends a woman" these days. It's a Victorian era speech code for the 21st century.

Legally however sexual harassment has it's roots in the duty of an institution to maintain a non-discriminatory environment by controlling it's students and employees behaviour, and as such the concept of sexual harassment in a public place is impossible. There is no institution with a duty to maintain non-discrimination. There's no institution at all. There's only the individual, and once you remove the institution you leave sexual harassment as a naked speech and behaviour code with no basis in law and in fact a clear violation of the constitutional protection of free speech and non-discrimination against the person doing the "offending".

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We never got away from that speak. Blacks have been hung for white women claiming to have been sexually harassed.

[–]asillyduck_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, what else do you expect to come from women + political power to result in, given enough time? The laws are slowly but surely being redefined. That's what PC does, it censors speaking certain parts of the language, for 'reasons', for 'offence', at first to 'everyone'. Then pretty much only for specific groups.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's weird, but it's not harassment. Guaranteed the men sitting next to a person who's doing this are every bit as uncomfortable as the women. And it doesn't matter whose on screen.

[–]DevilishRogue 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It most definitely IS harassment as it is imposing sexuality onto an unwilling recipient.

[–]hammerfan 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't watch porn in public. No excuses, no defence. Creepy and inconsiderate.

[–]TheJazzProphet 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that it isn't kind of weird and probably illegal to watch porn in public, but how is it sexual harassment? I guess the metric for sexual harassment victimization is whether you feel like you're being harassed.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Watching porn in public is rude at best, but it certainly isn't sexual harassment if you aren't trying to show it to other people.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't illegal in Canada, as far as I know. It's just very, very rude and inconsiderate. But it certainly isn't sexual harassment. But then again, is there anything a feminist doesn't consider to be sexual harassment?

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