Feminists literally believe men's stricter gender role is misogyny

fengpi · 2017-08-26T07:40:12+00:00

Right and when you say "you look mannish" to a woman, it's the highest praise and bearded gals are the most beautiful ones at the prom.

fengpi · 2017-08-26T11:52:47+00:00

The theory of feminism is that every corner of society is designed to cater to men's wants and needs, and women always get the short end of the stick. Anything that doesn't fit into this box--this social theory--neatly is stuffed in with force.

A simple example is that if women are expected to do more housework than men, it's misogyny. They'll claim that men feign incompetence to get out of household chores constantly, or that men are emotionally unwilling to do "women's work," but the message in the end is always identical: it's the patriarchy.

On the other hand, if men are expected to do heavy manual labor tasks, it's misogyny again. They'll claim that men assume women can't cut it in hard jobs, and that's why women are excluded from them. Again, it's the same thing: it's the patriarchy. They even have the gall to call it "benevolent sexism," which is just feminist speak for "women have it better in this aspect of society but we want to feel oppressed anyway."

HiilestTehtyAffena · 2017-08-26T15:02:27+00:00

Women are the ones who keep men in their place perhaps more than anybody or anything else. They show young men with their choices which kind of men are attractive. And then these choices become part of the culture that everybody adapts to. A man dressing up in feminine clothes is not sexy in their eyes. He's worth pity and disrespect if even that. And then "everybody" starts thinking the same way.

Another reason for the narrow role is that women are accepted into the society by being women but men have to earn the respect which will open the gates to full acceptance by both men and women. That respect doesn't come if you don't show manly traits.

"Feminine" men are ridiculed, in my opinion, not because it's degrading to resemble women, but because men have to be laughed back to the line, inside the limits of the narrow role - where they can sacrifice their lives to the "greater good", women, kids and the survival of the society.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2017-08-26T11:54:54+00:00

Feminism is simple: things that hurt women are misogyny. Things that help men are misogyny. Things that hurt men are misogyny. Things that help women are misogyny. Everything is misogyny. Forever and always.

2017-08-26T17:43:58+00:00

Because it is acceptable for a woman to act like a man but if vice versa happens, its "gay" and "trannylike"

psomaster226 · 2017-08-26T19:02:07+00:00

The Bill Burr bit on "What are you, gay?" is the reality of this situation. A lot of men are forced into these roles by the social backlash. This feminists' ramblings could be so barely reworded to be a rational discussion about toxic masculinity.

mcmur · 2017-08-26T19:02:34+00:00

Like everything feminists think, its the exact opposite of reality. Men are extremely rigidly gender policed in our society, much more so then women. Any deviation from outward masculinity is simply not tolerated for men, while women don't have to conform to any role and can get away with just about anything they want.

Somehow, this is still evidence of women being oppressed worse by society than men according to the feminists.

majortom22 · 2017-08-26T16:21:29+00:00

There's kernels of truth in this but conceptually he/she is totally missing it. I hate when people like that give off this vibe that they think they're so profound and enlightened.

You'll notice all of the examples given are what "dudes" say, what "friends" say what HIS family says. Never what women say.

Reality: we can try and socially re-engineer men all we want but if what we try to make men into doesn't make women want to spread their legs....we might as well be standing in a bucket and trying to lift ourselves by the handle.

Men aren't dumb.

djdlls · 2017-08-27T03:23:58+00:00

I have a theory, one admittedly that I'm pretty unsure of myself and probably isn't my own really but my interpretation of an existing one. I know this is borderline red pill stuff but I've been reading some evolutionary psychology books recently and it's made me wonder how this sort of thing works. Anyway. Men are supposed to be masculine because that is what attracts women. The majority anyway. Most women nowadays still claim that they want men who are typically masculine in In general, physically and mentally, and this also makes quite a bit of sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Generally it is men who have to compete for the affection of women, they make the first move and women are the "choosers" in this scenario. In many species one male mates with many females and there must compete to take his place. In men this occurs through displays of masculinity. They have to live up to these narrow standards whereas women must only be capable of having children or having sex it seems nowadays.

Ultimately what is standing in the way of women and equity is their own attraction and they can claim it's socially constructed but I guess we'll see.

2017-08-30T16:29:47+00:00

I have no clue what that person is even talkin about.

Pokecrafter88 · 2017-08-26T21:35:05+00:00

A man has a child with a woman, the woman keeps her job as she outearns him, he stays home and cares for the child. How do his family react? Why? What do his friends think? Why?

Well in my experience considering my mom out-earned my dad, literally nothing changes. In-fact my dad was more respected by mothers and lost no respect from his friends.

xNOM · 2017-08-26T13:00:00+00:00

I was looking at it from this perspective: a lot of people think acting like a girl is degrading, because they think being a girl is degrading.

Well... while "acting like a girl" is certainly admirable in many cases (sympathy, social cohesion, nurturing, etc.), the other half of the time acting like a girl is "degrading." Especially when you're the sex charged with dealing with the physical world objectively without letting emotions rule, taming nature, and fighting wars.

That said, I'm not sure how helpful saying "you're acting like a girl" really is. Even though it may be accurate. On the one hand it can be a motivation and challenge to achieve greatness -- to focus one's life on concrete goals; on the other hand it can be demotivating. I don't think there's a way to separate the two. I don't think you can have Einstein without Jack the Ripper. Women do not really face this dilemma.

Gender roles are obviously complementary. It would be weirdly inefficient if they weren't.

Title	Feminists literally believe men's stricter gender role is misogyny
Author	Vandechoz
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Date	August 26, 2017 7:11 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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