35-year-old woman has sex with 14-year-old boy. Case against her is dropped. News article says it's "hard to suppress a giggle" about it.

DerangedGinger · 2017-07-07T16:20:18+00:00

When I loaded the webpage I was greeted with an advertisement for "CGS" pre-k. I took a screenshot of that. I wonder if they'd be interested to know their advertisement with a picture of a young child is placed next to an article making light of the rape of a child.

HeForeverBleeds · 2017-07-07T16:45:47+00:00

It does seem like the most common responses to women raping boys or men are ether treating it as a joke or treating it as a sexual fantasy, and very rarely as actual sexual abuse. I'm curious, if a survey were to be conducted, what portion of the population would genuinely say that they believe women coercing men into sex or have sex with young boys is not an issue. Either way, whatever it is, it's way too many

The actual article is very interesting, and I'm grateful to Monique St. Germain and Justin Trottier for pointing out the double standard about female-on-male sexual abuse

The issue is, even if she didn't know that he was under the age of consent

she took no steps to ascertain the complainant's age before she had sex with him

She's a 35-year-old woman. Even if the 14-year-old boy looked 18, she should have checked to make sure. Maybe it'd be different if she were like 18/20 and thought he looked her age, but he was clearly way younger than her anyway; it'd be different if he lied about his age and / or had a false ID, but she was completely irresponsible in not even checking or asking

Also

was the sole parent and adult at a high school party when she had sexual intercourse with a boy

It'd be different if she met him at a bar or a club, but at a high school party means more likely than not he was under-aged. It's a huge injustice that she was acquitted on the ground of ignorance, when best case scenario she knew she was a full grown adult having sex with a high schooler

K10111 · 2017-07-07T17:22:20+00:00

"...was over the age of 16 because he had facial hair, a mature demeanour and apparent sexual experience. He also smoked and took care of his younger siblings."

Nothing wrong with that defense.

thrway_1000 · 2017-07-07T19:53:51+00:00

https://archive.is/UVXju

cymrich · 2017-07-08T15:28:40+00:00

how many men have used that defense? "I didn't know she was under age!"... and how many were believed? not many, if any, I'm sure...

tiqr · 2017-07-07T20:32:06+00:00

Put down the pitchforks guys.

Here's the SCC Decision: https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/16723/1/document.do

First, this took place at a party hosted by her 17-year-old son. It would be reasonable to expect the other guests to be a similar age.

The sexual activity happened after Ms. George’s son — who was 17 at the time — hosted a party at their apartment.

Second, he came to her bedroom on his own, and they talked for a long time about "mature" topics.

However, after the party ended, C.D. came to the bedroom. They spoke for several hours about music, custody issues, C.D.’s relationships, and his difficulties meeting mature girlfriends.

Third, the boy initiated the sexual contact. She repeatedly asked him to stop, but ultimately let him have sex with her. The boy wasn't accused of sexual assault for this.

Ultimately, C.D. initiated sexual contact. He asked Ms. George if it “would be weird” if he kissed her. Almost simultaneously, C.D. leaned forward to kiss Ms. George. She backed away, but C.D. again moved towards her, and she let him complete a brief kiss. C.D. then “immediately” moved on top of Ms. George, removed the blankets which were covering her body, lowered his pants, and moved her underwear to the side. She asked him what he was doing. She also asked him to stop several times. But he ignored these requests and persisted. In the end, Ms. George “simply let him finish.” She described the sexual encounter as “weird, awkward, and quick.” Despite these facts, there was “no dispute that, although reluctant at first, Ms. George was a willing participant.” Further, before the Court, neither party contested Ms. George’s consent to the sexual activity.

At Trial, she was acquitted. On Appeal, she was found guilty. At the Supreme Court, she has been acquitted. The Supreme Court agreed with the Trial judge. She successfully argued that there was an "air of reality" to her mistaken belief that he was over 16.

The court looked at the range pre-encounter indicators of the boy's age. He was at a party with her 17 year old son. He had facial hair, and looked older. He engaged in mature, adult conversations with her. He smoked and easily bought cigarettes.

At the time of the sexual activity, Ms. George had presumed that C.D. was around 17 because, in the several months she had known C.D., he looked that age, shaved, openly smoked cigarettes, easily bought cigarettes, and was a friend of her son (who was himself seventeen, typically socialized with older peers, and displayed less emotional maturity than C.D.).

Moreover, the comfort with which C.D. initiated the sexual encounter suggested he was older. When the court talked about his he appeared to be "sexually experienced", they were not saying "he was good at sex", they were saying he initiated the sexual encounter with a degree of confidence that suggested he was older.

The law says an accused can reasonably believe a person is of the age of consent if they take reasonable steps. This does NOT mean you need to check their ID to meet this standards (the Court also says that sometimes checking an ID could conceivably be not enough because of fake IDs). It will depend on the facts of every case. Here, there were lots of good reasons to believe this boy was at least 17 years old. The court found that there was sufficient evidence for her to reasonably believe he was of the age of the consent.

And to be frank, this boy borderline sexually assaulted her. The court doesn't list it in their reasoning, but I guarantee it was on their minds. She didn't groom this kid in advance. She had no reason to suspect he was 3 years younger than her son. And she certainly didn't plan this encounter. Her only error in judgment was carrying on a conversation in her bedroom, and not being forceful enough in pushing the kid off of her.

I think the Court made the right decision here.

GiverOfHarmony · 2017-07-07T19:04:28+00:00

I tried to get to this page by clicking the link and the site wasn't available.

Title	35-year-old woman has sex with 14-year-old boy. Case against her is dropped. News article says it's "hard to suppress a giggle" about it.
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Date	July 7, 2017 3:10 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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