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Former French "Ministry of Women's Rights" renamed "Ministry of Equality between Women and Men" under Macron's new government [Link in French - Details in comments]

Y3llowB3rry

May 17, 2017
74 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minist%C3%A8re_de_l%27%C3%89galit%C3%A9_entre_les_femmes_et_les_hommes_(France)
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Title Former French "Ministry of Women's Rights" renamed "Ministry of Equality between Women and Men" under Macron's new government [Link in French - Details in comments]
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Y3llowB3rry

Upvotes 74
Comments 22
Date May 17, 2017 8:36 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6breno/former_french_ministry_of_womens_rights_renamed/
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[–]Y3llowB3rry[S] 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The former "Ministry of Women's Rights", now renamed "Ministry of Equality between Women and Men", is technically a "Secretary of State", and although it's hard to translate literally, it's basically a held office with a bit less power than a full-fledged "Ministry".

The woman that's holding the office, Marlène Shiappa is a leftist women's rights activist, but she's working on some progressive subjects instead of just manbashing (work-life balance, childcare issues, etc.). For instance, on the subject of rape, she "doesn't believe in physiological pulsions pushing men to rape" (source, in French) which is kinda good news.

I think it's a small win to have the name of the held office changed from a one-sided perspective to a women and men equality perspective.

[–]quackquackoopz 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is just Newspeak, mate.

And in a way, even if it's not Newspeak, a Ministry of Equality by a leftist activist is about as scary as it usually means taking away people's (men's) liberties in the pursuit of the 'justice' (equal outcomes).

[–]suuupreddit 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Fucking hell, that's pessimistic.

The renaming will probably be unpopular, but they've done it anyway. Its new title is inclusive of men, and its current holder is vocally supportive of men's rights at least doesn't think men are evil, even if she's likely biased towards women. I'd call this a step in the right direction for sure.

Edited after fully reading the source. Still a step in the right direction.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you, one step at a time.

[–]quackquackoopz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Further update: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6bwcbt/militant_feminist_huffpost_blogger_appointed/

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

[–]quackquackoopz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's hyper-realistic based on what these 'equality ' departments usually mean and do.

Do you have some sources for her views on men's rights?

[–]suuupreddit 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was taking OP's word for it at first, since he linked a source, but now that I've read it I'm a bit less confident.

I'll maintain my optimism though, as I think it's a step in the right direction, even if it's a fairly small one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The new government against the left rather than supporting it. That said, there are feminist loonies in every party. It's as if it was a requirement to be a bit crazy to even qualify for a feminist politician.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]-redditardation- 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if she'll prosecute Macron's rapist?

You know the one that has made it clear that no one will find out when their relationship got intimate because it is illegal to engage in a such a relationship with a minor who you are in a position of power over such as a teacher.


On a more serious note I think this is just newspeak and preemptive appeasement. He a govt. & Rothschild banker shill and managed to run as the 'outside candidate' after literally being the economic adviser. He is obviously school in deception.

[–]Y3llowB3rry[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually in France as long as you're over 15, everything is permitted. Sexual majority is a specific French law. Statutory rape does not exist over 15 y.o. Rape does, of course, with higher penalties between 15 and 18 than after 18, but that's it.

Edit: Oh and there's prescription after 20 years

[–]-redditardation- 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It isn't legal if you have a position of authority over the person. Teacher should fulfill this. Otherwise it is permitted. There is a reason they don't reveal this 'secret'.

Now if you were to ask me should anyone be prosecuted that would be much more complicated but it very much appears to be the case that some law was broken and that silence is protection against any possible prosecution.

[–]Y3llowB3rry[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit you're right I just looked it up and there's at least one case of a (male) teacher condemned (no prison, just no teaching jobs for 5 years) for having a consenting sexual relationship with a 15yo+ student in France. But it's not rape if it's consensual, it's another thing.

You're right

[–]Singulaire 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Will have to wait and see if this represents a real change in policy or if it's just rebranding a la "Ministry of Love"

[–]MagicTampon 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's nice. Let's hope they put their money where their mouth is, and stop advocating for discrimination against men.

I kinda have my doubts, considering that Macron has committed to discriminating against males who wish to run as candidates in his own party.

[–]BaconCatBug 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The existence of it implies that women are lesser than men, when the opposite is true to them.

[+]perplexedm points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

France's Macron unveils Cabinet, half of them women

https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6bqlw0/frances_macron_unveils_cabinet_half_of_them_women/

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as it's because they deserve to be their and not "because more women are needed" I have no problem with that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They rename these Feminist titles and institutions/organizations because they are (somewhat) unconstitutional or against the ethos of how they see what they represent (liberté, égalité, fraternité for everybody, not just women). But very little might change - at first. In the long run it's harder to fight against equality if your "job description" says that's exactly what you shouldn't be doing.

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah but they still put women before men in the sentence, therefore its still 'women/children first'.

[+]MealReadytoEat_ points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Someone needs to go first, there's nothing inherently wrong about either way.

[–]mwobuddy 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's partly joke, and partly based on language policing of SJW/Fems saying that words have power and words are for control, and when it was men and women, the woman was in a subservient position in the sentence, further implicating their inferior position in society.

Its also part of the joke that women believe that its better women and men because women are inherently unequal in so many ways so putting them first 'equalizes power' in a sentence.

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