Feminists showing interest for a sub for rights of both genders

Rasalom72 · 2017-01-11T18:34:42+00:00

This again? You keep posting stuff like this, and seems you are surprised when the feminists don't buy in. You are still thinking that feminists give a shit about men.

Any women (or man) that identifies as a feminist is either ignorant of what it means to be a feminist (like Cassie Jaye) and hasn't had her eyes opened yet... or is a man hater. Either way, if she isn't willing to listen to men, she is no friend of actual equality.

DavidByron2 · 2017-01-11T18:43:43+00:00

I assume you were banned from /r/feminism

Negative reaction at /r/AskAFeminist

I've never heard of the other subredit.

Responses on this subredit were equal to the sum of all the others and multiplied by a bunch. If you get any interest it will all be from here. So why not just post here? Eh, whatever.

bufedad · 2017-01-11T18:40:06+00:00

You got an almost entirely negative response from feminists. It's about what we expected.

William__F0ster · 2017-01-11T20:32:55+00:00

I got a lot of negative feedback here about feminists, but when I promoted /r/mutualgenderrespect/ I didn't only get negative responses from the feminist side

Are you high?

These are highlights from the responses you got from r/Askfeminism - and I've read the thread - they are clearly representative:

Heavily mod it [your sub]. This means removing hateful commentary so people know you're serious.

From experience, I know 'hateful' has a pretty wide remit - and just to underline that point is what follows after:

I'm not sure I would go on a sub to "debate" women's rights, to be honest.

In other words, because the debate is over ... as if to prove the point, the same user then says to you

You insult Islam, feminism, and transgenders. You also seem to imply that Western culture can't be oppressive to women.

And this is positive for you?

Fuck me ... Are you like one of those dudes that likes to be walked on by women in high heels or what?

v573v · 2017-01-11T21:33:23+00:00

Egalitarianism does not sit well with patriarchy theory.

All of women's problems are because of masculinity and all of men's problems are because of masculinity.

There is no shared blame. There is no collective culpability.

Men are to blame. Maleness is to blame. Masculinity is to blame.

Women are only victims. Women have no agency. Women are oppressed.

Where is mutual respect going to come from when those are the terms? Where are you going to meet equally when you are seen as the enemy because you have a penis?

boomscooter · 2017-01-11T19:29:23+00:00

I'm sure it will work until any mens issues get brought up and then feminists tell us it's mens fault. So, we should just man up and take care of it. Awesome how guys are tied to their traditional roles from hundreds of years ago, and women don't have to follow these traditional roles anymore.

Stop trying to work with them, they don't care about men. If they did, it wouldn't be called FEMinism.

2017-01-11T18:50:19+00:00

Empathy Apartheid, Part II – Deflections and Dismissals

Feminism has the analysis – all your problems are patriarchy, and feminism has the cure – we’ll destroy the patriarchy and set you free. The problem of course is that for decades feminists have been relying on the patriarchy to grant their wishes and enforce the laws and policies they advocate for, so when it comes to the parts of patriarchy that harm men – male disposability, men being valued solely for their utility to women, “what’s yours in the corporate world is mine, what’s mine in running family life is still mine” – feminists are the last ones to destroy any of that.

Western_Ways · 2017-01-11T22:09:24+00:00

Never forgive, never forget.

Feminists have had control of the gender narrative for the last 50 years. Their she-tentacles reach into every sphere. They've amassed an incredible amount of power and influence all over the world, and what did they decide to do with it?

Demonize men.

The performance of young boys in school has plummeted. Dropout rates are rising. For the first time in American history, we have a generation of men that are less educated than their fathers. And what is the feminist response to this?

Crickets...

Suicide rates, alimony reform, paternity fraud, shared parenting, selective service, mgm. When did they ever address these thing except to pay lip service?

Never.

And so, I will never again give feminists the benefit of the doubt. They've shown their true colors. They are a hate movement, incapable of empathizing with the the plight of men, and they need to be exposed for what they are.

pladdyrust · 2017-01-11T20:19:33+00:00

...that they control

xNOM · 2017-01-12T01:42:37+00:00

AFAIK there's nothing preventing feminists from posting here (they do) or in /r/egalitarianism

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-12T07:18:18+00:00

Feminists are garbage and have no place advocating for men.

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-11T21:30:09+00:00

Ok, I listened to you and added this rule to ensure the right for you to be able to criticize feminism in a respectful way:

Criticism on certain gender rights movements is allowed as long as you stay respectful and don't speak in an insulting way about the movements. So you shouldn't be posting: "All .... (Movement here) are haters/bigots/nazis", but posting things like "Are there mens' rights which are infringed?" or "Is the wage gap a myth?" which are phrased in a neutral way and don't imply a (negative) judgement about a group are allowed.

Is this ok?

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-11T21:34:03+00:00

Are there any men here interested in becoming a moderator of the group too? I want representants of MensRights too. If you are interested, PM me.

2017-01-12T16:12:32+00:00

Feminist who is also interested in mens rights issues. (maybe a better word for me would be an equalist? an egalitarian? IDK). Just subscribed to this subreddit. Thank you!

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-13T14:52:03+00:00

Ok, I would like to ask concrete suggestions of you guys on how to improve the sub. So far only feminists have given suggestions on how to make it more neutral. If youhave suggestions for that too, you are welcome to share them.

Also, criticism of feminism is allowed so it isn't, as some assume, hijacked by SJW's, it contains both red pilled and more blue pilled people. As long as discussions are respectful, you are allowed to express your views.

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-11T18:50:04+00:00

Ok the negative responses or floading in now.

Calliope719 · 2017-01-12T05:30:54+00:00

Hello gentleman!

I'm a feminist. I'm checking out this thread on the recommendation of a friend, and I'm honestly shocked at the reputation feminists have with you boys. Most of the feminists I know- or associate with, anyway- care about mens issues as well. We fight for equality, meaning equality for both genders. I do believe that women face deeper issues on a global scale, but that doesn't mean that issues facing men are unimportant. Do I think that the bias in family court to typically give custody to women is bs? Absolutely. It's bs that men have to register for the draft and women don't. It's bs that men get longer jail sentences for similar crimes. None of those opinions devalues feminism in any way. It's not a contest, if we're going to get anything accomplished for men, women, whoever, we need to stop sniping at each other so much and start working together to make real changes. Personally, I think a thread about everyone's issues would be great, so maybe we could all stop whining to people who already agree with us, discuss this stuff like rational adults and maybe come up with some actual , practical solutions for all involved.

DimensionalPrayer · 2017-01-11T20:52:07+00:00

To be clear I 'm not against MensRights nor against feminism (when it supports mens' rights too). If there is anything you think needs to be improved to this sub, I 'll listen to MensRights too, but I want it tobe a friendly place for both Mens' Rights Advocates and feminists to think about each others' perspective and problems and to become more aware of each others' problems.

Title	Feminists showing interest for a sub for rights of both genders
Author	DimensionalPrayer
Upvotes	3
Comments	60
Date	January 11, 2017 5:37 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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