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Bernie Sanders: Democrats Need to Move Beyond ‘I’m a Woman, Vote For Me’

silverwolfer

November 21, 2016
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Title Bernie Sanders: Democrats Need to Move Beyond ‘I’m a Woman, Vote For Me’
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silverwolfer

Upvotes 342
Comments 76
Date November 21, 2016 7:24 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5e5xrz/bernie_sanders_democrats_need_to_move_beyond_im_a/
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Comments

[–]Daktush 32 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No shit

Hillary playing the sex card multiple times and her supporters smearing anybody that didn't support her as sexist was a major reason to meme against the witch

[–]SworntotheDeath 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope the left realizes that their demonization of everyone who isn't 110% leftist has blowback, a la Trump.

[–]average_shill 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The American democratic party isn't even "leftist" compared to nearly any other modern nation. Politics in this nation are a joke wrapped in a distraction dipped in corruption.

[–]rg57 48 points49 points50 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.'

Maybe Bernie isn't such a sell-out after all!

"What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street..."

Or a man, Bernie. Or a man.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If we had a female version of bernie versus a male version of Clinton.

I would vote for the femShepherd

[–]Grubnar 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I started playing Mass Effect, I chose a female character, only because my friends told me that the voice acting was slightly better that the male version.

Only now do I realize that I have never played it as a male!

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He waited until after the election to say that. He's principled when it's politically profitable to do so.

[–]perplexedm 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Thought he was a decent politician, but no, he is just a pansy who neither can face wall street, nor can face truth.

If he was a honestly decent politician, he should have exposed the facts and thought be done with it.

He is anyway not going to be next president, so why not expose the truth and let the whole party come clear of the murky things for betterment of humanity. Now, he is just what people call a cuck.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He is an honest man, but a pushover. Seeing him being shoved from the podium by some BLM scum¹ and submitting to Hillary did not convince me he could stand up to opposition in high office.

¹ a bit harsh, but they did not look very accomplished

[–]Molestory 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think he will be president in four years.

[–]perplexedm 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In 4 years he will be 79 year old. Just saying.

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]perplexedm 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After reading his reactions to DNC leaks, I lost hope on him even before elections. That is not a good politician someone can trust.

Age doesn't matter, principles does, for a politician.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He isn't a decent politician. He's just good at getting elected. The savvy needed to effect legislation is an entirely different animal.

[–]Dnile1000BC 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

For too little far too late.

Democrats are not learning their lessons. The doubling down on calling Trump and his supporters every feminist name in the book just shows how detached from reality Democrats are. Unless they get de-programmed from feminist delusions, they always be deluded.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, both are stuck in an echo chamber. Just Trump's echo chamber has more voters. Trump really does suck when it comes to equal rights, even by the MRA Definition.

[–]CurtisAxelmania 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

In regard to what? Supporting the stay at home moms?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

From the little that has actually talked about, and the bits I can scrap together. Does anything about the currently selected cabinet not say status quo males should be the providers / stuck with child support ?

Squats very heavy with traditionalists. Think how much negatively affected men's issues as we are going to have abortion becomes increasingly harder to get, and the potential risks of being a man of color under the current wave of bullshit.

[–]CurtisAxelmania 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't say without investigating the cabinet choices more. Lack of abortions isn't men's problem. We never had control over that to begin with. I'd be glad if they outlawed it and then theyd have to make concessions to male paternal control before we get on board to get it back.

I don't see how being a man of color has changed going from Obama to Trump. Barack didn't exactly fix racial tensions.

[–]zen_affleck 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lack of legal abortion will be very bad for both men and women. Currently abortion is the only way a man can get out of paying child support, scot-free. It's still not his choice, but it's the only way to avoid it entirely.

Unwanted babies create a huge drain on taxpayers. That includes people who don't even have kids. Crime goes up, poverty goes up, insurance costs, prison population, homelessness, class sizes.

Removing legal abortion creates the need for a whole host of other government social programs which the Republicans claim to be against.

Abstinence education doesn't work, birth control isn't 100% effective.

You're basically just making sex an even riskier prospect for men. You are helping no one, and increasing the bloated nanny-state, just to get back at feminists.

And the feminists love you for it, because you increase their victim narrative as well as give them plenty of reasons to recruit more troops. As long as you keep fighting against it, you keep giving them a reason to exist.

[–]CurtisAxelmania 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can avoid paying child support through abstinence. It is much more reliable than hoping a woman will make the choice you want.

It is a lie to promote the myth that women having access to abortion makes sex less risky to men. Their access does nothing to obligate them to use it.

The nanny state has continued to increase in spite of abortion being accessible. They want to reproduce.

I will not hold back my views in response to concern-trolls. Yes feminists love that I want to sterilize women who abuse their reproduce be system to create a government burden. So what?

[–]_pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He is picking people based on merit without caring about their gender or skin color. How that is a step back in any way I have no clue. I may not agree with the opinions of many of them but I can't say they aren't qualified. That's much better than what Hillary had planned. She decided ahead of time that her cabinet would be 50% women. That is sexist.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said anything about that. I said their stances. Someone may be administratively qualified but they are going to run you into things you hate.

What is the point? Folks can have talent, but who cares if it is going to set back your rights?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

even by MRA Definition

What do you mean by this?

[–]furchfur 66 points67 points68 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

He is right, the MRM and other advisors told her that but she was never going to listen. Part of the reason she lost. Hilary Clinton was about male hate not just ignoring men:

1) Only food aid after Haiti earthquake was given to females, as arranged by Hilary Clinton.

2) She did nothing to stop little boys being raped in Afghanistan and told the military to turn a blind eye.

3) She said the main victims of war were women because their men folk died in battle.

They wander why men did not vote for her.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to know the source for the first claim because Google doesn't seem to know about it. The second claim seems to have some truth to it in the sense that Hillary might have told the military to avoid criticizing certain "taboo" subjects like women's rights and pedophilia in Afghanistan.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

First claim is bull. That was the UN's doing, not Clinton's.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

46 upvotes so far. Feminist kind of group thinking where facts and sources are secondary to feelings - and let's put a smiley and question marks to the end so that nobody's feelings are hurt :) ???

[–]AloysiusC 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what Clinton did in that context but I know that it's pretty common practice for aid organizations internationally to prioritize women or even exclusively help women.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the UN and its World Food Program did it a few weeks after the earthquake but Hillary didn't have any direct power to influence that decision. Bill might have had because he had a role within the UN helping Haiti at the time (AFAIK).

It sounds unfair and sexists, and we are talking about the notoriously sexist UN after all. But who knows.

The only charity I give regularly money to is the Red Cross.

[–]Settlers6 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm just curious, but is it sexist, or is there some valid reason that we're not seeing right now? I mean, what is the UN's reason for doing it this way, in their own words? Could someone play devil's advocate?

EDIT: Downvoting for asking questions that oppose the narrative reminds me of feminist tactics. In relation to the question I asked, I tried to look it up, and the only reason I could find was that women (and children) often get pushed to the side by some men when standing in line to get food and water. I can understand why the UN therefore made the decision to have women only lines. True, it's gender profiling and a better option would be that guards would keep people in check, but that's probably not possible due to budget/personnel constraints. Maybe I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The queues were unruly and the strongest got to the front and left the weaker ones with nothing. But was banning men altogether the only possible solution? I doubt it. There was also talk about women being more responsible with sharing and thus the stuff didn't get tot the black market so often but I don't know if that was ever an official reason.

[–]Settlers6 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But was banning men altogether the only possible solution? I doubt it.

I mean, do we have prove that they had another solution, but didn't use it, because "fuck men"? It seems more likely that they did not have an alternative. Unless you have something to prove me wrong of course.

There was also talk about women being more responsible with sharing and thus the stuff didn't get tot the black market so often but I don't know if that was ever an official reason.

That's the question I suppose, was that their reason?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But there should have been something for those men who were left out because didn't live in a household with women - or weren't given anything even if they lived. If there wasn't, it was a disgrace.

[–]Settlers6 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course. The guardian article I read said that they "made sure men were also taken care of". But if they did, or how they did I could not find.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read a few books about the Afghanistan war. Hillary was repeatedly described as being concerned with the situation of women in that country. There was of course no mention of action against the boy rapes, though.

[–]splodgenessabounds 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Besides all that, Clinton never managed to convince enough people that she isn't the arrogant, privileged woman she so obviously is.

[–]YuenHsiaoTieng 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If he can be an anti identity politics progressive, he will win in 2020 by a landslide.

[–]Mobilematt1 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too old

[–]PotatoDonki 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what I want.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think he ever spoke against identity politics. For example, he clearly supports affirmative action, i.e. race trumping merit.

[–]Nergaal -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obama did it in 2008. Can't recall any race card being played, at least during the voting

[–]TheGreatRoh 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Now the man says it, he could have said it in the primary where it mattered.

[–]ThirdTurnip 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Back then he'd have been lampooned as a misogynist for saying such things.

Post Hillary losing, having run the campaign she did and to someone like Trump, the political landscape looks very different.

[–]deadalnix 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"if you are a white male, you don't know what it is to be poor"

[–]TobieS 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He said that right.

[–]starwarsfan48 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He didn't say "male".

[–]deadalnix 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right, it is "When you're white ... you don't know what it's like to be poor"

I was quoting from memory. However same thing, the king of identity politics tells his subjects that the monster he created is eating them.

[–]PotatoDonki 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But guys, one of her merits is she's a woman!

[–]splodgenessabounds 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He isn't wrong, and at least he's come out and said what he thinks, unlike many other Dems. It really is well past the time when mainstream (small 'd') social democratic parties gave away their obsession with identity politics and started giving a fuck about those anonymous millions struggling to get by instead.

To those here saying wtte "too little too late" and "well you would say that now, wouldn't you", what did you expect Bernie to do? He lost the nomination race (blame the powerful cliques in the Dems for that) so he was more or less duty-bound to STFU and not rock the boat until the result of the election was in, lest he be accused of white-anting.

[–]atheist4thecause 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I think there's a lot of Progressives that are in the closet about identity politics. People like Bernie Sanders who likely feel it's gone way too far, but because of their position, speaking out before the time is right would be career suicide. Thankfully for Bernie, he's 75 and Trump just destroyed Hillary, so now is a perfect time for him to speak out. I wouldn't be surprised to see more people come out. Look at all the Leftist professors coming out against identity politics.

On a side note, I really want Trump to make Bernie the Labor Secretary if he'd take the position.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Sanders would lose more than he would gain taking that position. Because things like labor boards, and the laws that Republicans want to pass, are going to kill worker rights big time.

[–]atheist4thecause -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So then Sanders could be the alternative voice in the administration. It would be his job to stick up for worker's rights, try to influence the policies, and then eventually carry out the policy. He's also 75 so he doesn't really have to worry too much about future elections. If Sanders doesn't get the job then maybe some "yes" person gets the job.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Meh, better to save yourself for 2020 and use the time to build up your "army" and win the election.

[–]atheist4thecause 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He's not going to run in 2020. This was his chance. Trump will be the oldest President to take office and he's 70. Sanders is 75. Sanders will be 79 in 4 years. I just don't see it happening. In fact, Trump might not run for a second term. We'll see how this first term weighs on him.

[–]CurtisAxelmania 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe he backs Ivanka for 2020?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given the low standards for presidential candidates, I wouldn't be surprised.

[–]Nergaal 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

what professors have come out?

[–]atheist4thecause 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure all of these fall on the Left, but I know some of them do: Christina Hoff Sommers, John C. McAdams, Michael Rectenwald, Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Thomas Sowell and many others.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These are conservatives or centrists.

[–]atheist4thecause 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol Whatever you say. I guess when you define every Leftist who disagrees with identity politics as a Centrist then you will end up only Conservatives and Centrists by definition. There is a thing called a liberal Democrat, which is what many of these people are.

[–]DanksForTheMemories 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In other news, water is wet

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think the Dems are going to be running a female candidate again any time soon?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Warren? Maybe.

[–]TBP22 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's true Bernie could have beat Trump then logically Warren could beat Trump in 2020. She and Bernie are very similar policy-wise, I think she said some stupid things about marijuana/drugs in the past but has changed her views and is at the very least better than most democrats on it, her foreign policy is a bit of an unknown though but I think she leans non-interventionist. Assuming we don't get Bernie himself, but I'm not sure if he plans on running again.

[–]Gnomish8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gabbard's another fairly popular one right now, too. So I'd say it's a solid "maybe."

[–]Coumz 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably Michelle Obama as that hit the front of the page after the election. Then again, I am just a left-wing person.

[–]trampson 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well fucking duh, Bernie, you feminist hypocrite.

[–]Grubnar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.’ That is not good enough,” Sanders said. “What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industries.”

Warren said "No".

[–]Prometheus444 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No shit. Tell that to all the idiots who supported you.

[–]imbecile 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean those that have been labelled BernieBros and worse by the Clintonites?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL Sanders is a woman.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They did. We only supported her over Trump because well...Trump sucks and against what wev wanted imo.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now he says it...

[–]chambertlo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are they capable of doing this, is the question we should be asking them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was?

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