Has Tinder really made the modern women this spoiled & entitled?

IoSonCalaf · 2016-11-03T09:15:36+00:00

I think it's always been that way. Tinder just let it become a lot more obvious.

fengpi · 2016-11-03T09:43:37+00:00

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fengpi · 2016-11-03T11:16:56+00:00

About seven different people yesterday directed me to this Gizmodo article, in which a young woman, Alyssa Bereznak recounts a horror story she endured attempting to use OKCupid to find an online date. Fair enough, I thought, but this better be one hell of a story to warrant its own Gizmodo post.

She talks about the pains of being a woman on the site, plagued by horrific and crude messages from guys left and right (something many of my female friends can attest to), and finally she settles on a “normal” sounding suitor. Little did she know, this seemingly cool guy was in fact… A NERD!

Now, I’m not here to debate about just how shallow of a person Ms. Bereznak is, the internet has lambasted her plenty for this. The fact that people can be superficial or stuck in a high school mindset is not news, as it unfortunately happens every day...

Rather, I want to look at the fact that as of the time I’m writing this, that article has 529,280 views. For those of you lacking a frame of reference, that’s an astonishing number, especially for something a mere 12 short paragraphs long.

I think that Alyssa knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she wrote this post. It’s the tried and true practice of online nerd-baiting in order to get traffic, and this, perhaps more than any other example, shows just how well it works.

... Why does this happen? Why would a woman subject herself to be publicly dragged through the mud by the entire male population of the internet? It’s because the life of a freelancer is based around getting hits, as the more you get, the more you get paid. This is especially true with the notoriously sketchy Gawker pay model, and though I don’t know specific numbers, I can safely say that Alyssa is riding a wave of nerd tears all the way to the bank after this post.

kluh100 · 2016-11-03T11:24:45+00:00

Cattiness and the Unselected Man

I don’t understand why public trashing of unworthy men (or men who spurned them) is such an intense passion of young female blogresses; the orgasms of anger and seeking of support from the echo-chamber comments was/is the most pathetic element of whiny Ally McBeal-esque blogs like Lilly, DateMeDC and Diary of Why. My theory is that they were raised to think they would have it all, and commitment from worthy men is the final frontier they haven’t crossed, the one thing that no one can mandate they receive, that no Reviving Ophelia movement or special workplace initiative can give them. I’m loath to scapegoat feminism when Occam’s Razor gives us closer, simpler causes – our increasingly narcissistic, status-obssessed society, and Millenial helicopter parenting that sought to ensure nothing bad would ever happen to them.

In any case, the need to broadcast men’s unworthiness is a weird, vindictive part of the You Go Girl culture – the collective Princess Complex that demands men pedestalize them and grovel to their every whim. It’s not enough for a man to be politely rejected and sent on his way; you have to be humiliated, placed in the virtual stocks so that the world knows the insufferable wrong you’ve inflicted on her by not being good enough for her dreams.

Men who use apps are gross

Over at the Huffington Post, Maxwell Strachan criticizes an app that facilitates the amorous aspirations of “gross” men by automatically ‘liking’ (right swiping) every Tinder profile you come across.

Now why exactly this makes men “gross” in Maxwell’s mind is frankly unclear to me. What this app does — or what any man who ‘likes’ every Tinder profile does, as described in this description of the logic behind this approach in Buzzfeed — is to turn the tables a bit on the classic dating setup and allow the man to be picky. By liking everyone, he doesn’t waste time on evaluating the appeal of dozens or hundreds of women who have no interest in him.

Instead, women are somewhat unwittingly cast in the role of initiator, in that their ‘response’ to the man’s interest is really just a declaration of their own interest which the man in question may or may not reciprocate. Oh noes!!

Men who don’t defer to female privilege are so gross!

Social Media and Female Self-Esteem

Try to picture this life, except with the sex roles reversed. Every one of your trivial observations or random thoughts gets “upvoted”, literally and metaphorically, by throngs of admirers, mostly female but some male too. Your lauded accomplishments amount to sharing cute puppy pics. Say something stupid? No one will call you out on it. Make a lame joke? Everyone laughs uproariously. Post a drunken photo of yourself? Hundreds of chicks “like this” and cheer in unison, “you go, guy!”. Tell no one in particular that you are sad, and you’re having a bad day? Hundreds more line up to offer uplifting messages of support.

You get the idea. Now, what do you think experiencing life like that will do to your self-esteem? If you answered, “my self-esteem would fly through the roof”, you win. Again.

The notion that American women endure the travails of low self-esteem is unmitigated bullshit; mythmaking of the highest caliber. American women, and really most women in post-industrial countries on the downslope into cultural decay, have the opposite psychological condition: TOO MUCH self-esteem.

fengpi · 2016-11-03T11:31:52+00:00

Oh and I LOOOVE this. Savor this nuclear-level idiocy:

but I think that men can get away with always swiping right because women are usually less prone to initiating conversation.

"Less-prone." She's absolutely right, "never" truly is "less-prone," much in the same way a ton of bricks is slightly heavier than a chicken feather. She is leaning correctly towards the point. Wildly, absurdly, laughably disproportionately clueless in her characterization, but generally leaning in the direction of the correct neighborhood.

They [men] accumulate a ton of matches, and then at their leisure, go back through them to get rid of those they aren't really into, and start conversations with those they like. When I swiped right on everyone, however, I immediately subjected myself to a high volume of messages I didn't really want to respond to in the first place, so I ended up getting overwhelmed really quickly.

Ohh right. So men accumulate a ton of matches and they can sort through them "at their leisure." Meanwhile, she is flooded with SO. MANY. MESSAGES, a veritable OCEAN. OF. LOSERS and golly gosh darn, no leisure for her! No way she can sort through those! She's got to scrape-away 99.999% of that worthless topsoil to find that rarest of diamonds: a Halfway Decent Man who not only respects her as his equal, but completely blows her away because he's so damn successful, high-status, suave and desirable, perhaps with a castle in northern Italy as a summer home. (She is humble and reasonable in her standards, after all.)

It's just overwhelming for her! She's like the poor, befuddled Soviet visitor walking-in to an American supermarket and gawking at the wall full of breakfast cereals! "How can you choose? How can you choose?" Golly, but surely men enjoy the best of both worlds-- a giant number of choices that they can pick and choose from at their leisure while exerting no effort whatsoever to actually connect to those choices! No hardship for them! No compromising! No hard work required! All they have to do is just swipe-right every single time, eliminate the ones they aren't into, and then start conversations with those remaining! For her? Wow, there's just So. Much. Work.

Relationships "just happen" for her, therefore they "just happen" for men, too! Those free drinks that appear in her hand at the bar? Men must be getting a bunch of free drinks, too! Except they've got it better. They always do, the lucky jerks.

She is the millionaire grousing about how the poor don't need to bother with the inconvenience of using the nearest ATM machine to get more money. She is the celebrity flying-in to the famine zone, hoagie in hand, talking with her mouth full to teach the unwashed emaciated people on how to grill Chilean sea-bass. She is Marie Antoinette expertly commenting on the French peasants' abundance of cake. The filthy shit-stained peons out in the turnip field are oppressing her and laughing all the way to the bank, the lucky bastards.

FFS, it's as if she's been overdosing on Dunning-Kruger Incoherence Pills her entire life!

mwobuddy · 2016-11-03T10:11:00+00:00

A lot of these creepy-seeming guys were just that, and wasted no time in messaging me things like "hey beautiful" or "ur too pretty to be on this app."

Compliments are creepy. The guys saying it must've been ugly.

kluh100 · 2016-11-03T09:26:33+00:00

It was hard to get through that article.

Average girl "does the unthinkable" swipes right on every guy she sees for 50 times. Gets 41 matches, gets a bunch guys messaging her nice things. She's becomes bitch to all of them.

Why?

Simply put, she believes she deserves better?

That article was some of the worst feminist thinking BS I've ever seen. It basically a girl bullying guys because she can.

Tinder in of itself is an amazing tool for women. At any given moment, with less than 5 minutes of work, they can have 40 or more guys lining up to give them attention, sex, money or anything else they need. Its like we as guys have literally handed them the world on a silver platter.

I can't even blame them for having bloated egos, I would too if I could simply hop on my phone and be able to have sex, get dinner, have my bills paid, or travel to any city in the world for free with minimal effort whenever I wanted!

fengpi · 2016-11-03T09:23:39+00:00

It's not Tinder wot done it.

majortom22 · 2016-11-03T13:13:56+00:00

This was one giant humblebrag masquerading as an article...

What was she even trying to do again? Just...see to see?

Yeah. Humblebrag

Lice138 · 2016-11-03T13:53:28+00:00

This is horrible, some of this shit...

just knew that I couldn't handle getting into an argument with someone who genuinely believes he's entitled to a response from a woman online, so I just blocked him and moved on.

Yes bitch, when you "swipe right" you make an agreement that you two are mutually interested and want to get to know eachother better. This is along the same lines as me saying "I can't believe that women actually feel entitled to communication with men after sex"

A lot of guys who just weren't my type

A common misconception that mostly women make but its fair to say both sexes make. Lets say I really hate greasy food that is covered in cheese and tomato sauce and when asked what type of food I like, I always say pizza. That is about how stupid having a "type" is. Keep perusing relationships with the same type of person and you will keep getting the same results.

All i really got from this article was the fact that she is not as attractive as she thinks she is. In an attempt to show off how attractive she is all the proved was that she could only get all the guys that swipe right no matter what.

theDodgerUk · 2016-11-03T16:50:33+00:00

I'm on pof. I have given up on it. I get messages of women

The pictures of my self are doing tough mudders and dressed smart. Also picture of me years ago when I was FAT

THE women that contact me are very below my level, who are 250lbs + with 3 kids

Yes women think they deserve better than they do

kluh100 · 2016-11-03T12:01:01+00:00

Also, just realized that the thumbnail for the article is literally a picture of her profile pic :-/

kutuup1989 · 2016-11-03T17:13:19+00:00

Everyone is shallow ultimately, save for a small number of people. It's just socially acceptable for women to be shallow, whereas men are expected to be thankful any woman shows an interest in them.

kluh100 · 2016-11-04T08:33:35+00:00

The comments in this post are incredibly insightful...just wanted to drop by and say that.

galtthedestroyer · 2016-11-03T21:40:24+00:00

She's no more spoiled or entitled than any other woman in history. She's dealing with the same overabundance that women have always dealt with.

Also, even if she is spoiled or entitled, this post has nothing to do with mens rights.

kluh100 · 2016-11-04T16:34:31+00:00

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majortom22 · 2016-11-03T13:13:57+00:00

This was one giant humblebrag masquerading as an article...

What was she even trying to do again? Just...see to see?

Yeah. Humblebrag

Meyright · 2016-11-03T12:58:02+00:00

STOP BEING SO SALTY

What is your problem? If you don't like her, don't match her. If you don't like Tinder don't use it. She can do whatever she wants, she is a free human being. She will get the receipt for her actions and attention seaking for sure anyway. So why do you care?

You're a man! You're able to work on yourself, get richer, pump the iron work on your social life to get ahead on the dating market. Women don't have that ability, they're only judged for their appearance, if they're ugly, they're fucked. If they're beautiful they've won. But most of them are somewhere in between. You can be almost anything, but you chose to be a whiner.

Edit: God forbit someone writes something encouraging. "Oh you think I'm responsible for my own happiness on the dating market? Screw you!" This is exactly the behaviour we're blaming feminists for having. Fuck that

Title	Has Tinder really made the modern women this spoiled & entitled?
Author	kluh100
Upvotes	18
Comments	59
Date	November 3, 2016 9:14 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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