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Idaho biology teacher falsely accused of ethics violation for using the word "vagina" in a lesson

unbelievablepeople

September 19, 2016
118 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/03/idaho-teacher-tries-to-move-forward-after-sex-ed-complaint/
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Title Idaho biology teacher falsely accused of ethics violation for using the word "vagina" in a lesson
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unbelievablepeople

Upvotes 118
Comments 31
Date September 19, 2016 2:55 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/53hxdd/idaho_biology_teacher_falsely_accused_of_ethics/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/idaho-biology-teacher-falsely-accused-of-ethics.941347
https://theredarchive.com/post/941347
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Comments

[–]unbelievablepeople[S] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Key quote from the article:

The Association of American Educators encounters unfounded complaints against teachers every day, said Alexandra Freeze, senior director of communications and advocacy.

Even if accusations are false, she said, they could cost teachers thousands of dollars in attorney fees if they don’t have liability insurance, which the Association of American Educators offers. Plus, “they can ruin your reputation.”

This is currently on the front page from r/todayilearned but no one in that discussion seems to view it as a men's rights issue. I absolutely do, as I believe male teachers are held to different standards than female teachers when issues like this arise.

https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/53gz7w/til_parents_filed_an_ethics_complaint_against_a/

[–]mwobuddy 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No one brings a complaint of "ethics violation" or "sexual harassment" if a woman utters penis or vagina.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Christian conservatives will use any means to attack sex education, I don't think his gender is relevant. He was teaching about orgasm, they would hate that especially.

[–]keith_weaver 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

What was the context? If it was something like a photo of Scarlett Johanssen on the screen and he said he wanted to jam his fist into her vagina, in front of kindergartners, then I can see an issue. But otherwise, not so much.

-edit- from what I've read, it never said what age group he taught.

[–]Mocha2007 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

-edit- from what I've read, it never said what age group he taught.

Since it's an actual separate Biology class, I doubt they could've been younger than Middle School-age.

[–]mighty914 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I believe male teachers are held to different standards than female teachers when issues like this arise."

Maybe, but I'm honestly not sure that's the case here. This seems more like a conservative town over-reacting to teacher using the proper nomenclature for anatomy at an appropriate time. It's an issue of overprotective parents not letting teachers teach.

Anyway, a worthwhile read, but I'd agree that it's not really a mens rights issue.

[–]monty93 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

A biology professor said vagina? What wil be next?, a neurscientist saying brain?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, for accuracy, it be like if a nueroscientist said "spine" If he were an Anatomy teacher then that would work

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is he supposed to say then!? Vagina is the LITERAL major term of that part of a woman's anatomy!

What? Is he supposed to say pussy? Birth canal? Place where dicks venture?

[–]Ransal 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

doesn't matter how he describes it, they would target him no matter what he said. I'd like to think it's just stupid people not wanting their children to learn about reproduction but I have a very hard time believing they'd do this to a woman.

[–]CorncobJohnson 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Female reproductive organ

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]EochuBres 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Referring to the female reproductive organ as the vagina is like referring to the digestive system as the throat

That's actually a surprisingly accurate analogy

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wouldn't the reproductive organ be the womb or uterus?

[–]CorncobJohnson 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was the most clean, non offensive term I could think of. Also, yeah, you're right. Why does everything have to be so pc?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh, if you're going to get in trouble for using the proper medical term, might as well just call it "cunt".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha!

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31690139@N02/2966792654/sizes/o/

[–]Captain_Yid 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

They also complained he shared private student information, taught sex education and birth control, and promoted “political candidates” on school property by showing “An Inconvenient Truth,” Al Gore’s documentary on climate change.

Buried in the article are the real grounds for complaint. The main one being sharing "private student information." That could be a real problem by anyone's standards. Secondarily, showing "An Inconvenient Truth" in school is pretty controversial since the film features several questionable (I'm being generous) claims and a politician and therefore borders on political advocacy. And finally, I don't think biology class is an appropriate place to be teaching birth control.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think biology class is an appropriate place to be teaching birth control.

I agree to an extent. It's hard to tell if there's a sex ed class that's separate, or if the biology teacher is taking it upon himself to teach sex ed for whatever reason that may be. If there's no formal sex ed classes, biology classes would be a good place to teach it.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He said it is not taught now. This is just the anti-sex people doing their thing.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

At a glance it is an anti-sex education attack by Christian conservatives dredging up whatever they can. He was teaching about orgasm. Those people often don't want kids to even hear that orgasms exist.

They believe in ignorance about sex at school age other than that abstinence is good and anything else is a morass of disease, sin and social rejection. These are the people who got contraception education and condom distribution programs blocked in Africa while AIDS ran rampant.

Those people are likely to be global warming denialists too, so that would add to their rage. Or possibly they just used the "political" label as another way to attack him.

This isn't an attack on men, it is an attack on knowledge.

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Either you've got another source of information or you're just making up facts. Regardless, you're ignoring two of the three grievances made in the complaint.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Sharing student details would be a perfectly credible allegation if it were made in isolation. When put alongside the other two the chance of it being whipped up out of a minor infraction as a politically motivated attack becomes vastly more likely.

The info on global warming denialism, opposition to sex education in schools, restricting sex education strictly to biological reproduction, and promotion of ignorance through abstinence-only contraception education? That all came directly from Christian conservatives. They don't make any secret of it.

Using An Inconvenient Truth for global warming education seems pretty reasonable to me.
It was carefully made to not contain any political content. It is made by a scientist who is an ex politician.
The complaints made about it are desperate minor nitpicking, from memory.

The science is out of date in places, I believe in all cases of variation the reality has been measured to be worse than the predictions at that time. Sea level rise is certainly a lot worse. The rate of temperature rise is worse. The rate of CO2 increase is worse I think, it certainly won't be better.
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Yes he was doing sex education, and he said that material is now not taught in that school.
It seems the most plausible explanation for the attack on him. Evidence that the attackers were backward hicks or religious zealots is obvious - who else would object to a biology teacher referring to a vagina as a vagina?

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Call me a backwards hick or evil Christian conservative (FTR, I'm an atheist), but I would complain about this guy too. Even if I ignore the complaint about sharing private information like you, sex education and An Inconvenient Truth are, at best, tangentially-related to biology class. Dude's not doing his job, which is teaching biology (read: NOT proselytizing kids).

For your education,

One day before Friday's announcement that he was a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, a British High Court judge ruled that Gore's global warming film, "An Inconvenient Truth," while "broadly accurate," contained nine significant errors.

The ruling came on a challenge from a UK school official who did not want to show the film to students. High Court Judge Michael Burton said that the film is "substantially founded upon scientific research and fact" but that the errors were made in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TenWays/story?id=3719791

Again, a biology teacher should not be showing this shit to kids. At the risk of stating the obvious, he should be teaching the kids about biology.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Ecosystems are very much part of biology. They teach about the various cycles for carbon, nitrogen, potassium etc.

The carbon cycle is one of the most important, and one of the longest because it includes huge reservoirs that are seldom released. Examples are fossil coal and oil, methane clathrates in the seabed, arctic tundra, forests. When they are released positive feedbacks tend to cause a savage swing in the climate and a mass extinction.
We are performing in the sixth global mass extinction right now.

I'd forgotten about the slowing of the ocean's thermohaline circulation system. That is the most significant point I know of where more recent research shows less of a problem than was expected. The risk of a complete shutdown is now thought to be quite small.

The judge's first comment on sea level rise is now proved to be wrong. Twenty feet / 6m of rise will not take "thousands of years". Satellite gravity surveys show Greenland and the West Antarctic are melting far faster than expected, and it has been shown that nothing can now stop the West Antarctic from total breakup. The whole melt will take thousands of years but with other factors 20' / 6m is more likely to take a few hundred years. It is very hard to find a sea level expert who expects less than 1.1m of rise this century, and a few expect much bigger rises. All agree the rate is accelerating rapidly.
The West Antarctic melt is currently only a few cm a century but is expected to accelerate greatly, starting within 50 - 200 years. The basin is below sea level so once the water gets in it will melt from the bottom.

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reach, reach, reach.

[–]squarebe 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

21st century usa must be stop being 21st century usa. Its embarrassing!

[–]j26545 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It gets worse too. The family stayed in the town and became a social pariah. One of their adopted sons who had some developmental disorder was very brutally sexually assaulted.

*Edit missed a word.

[–]zulu127 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's quite the community! The family take action against the sexual assault of their adopted son and seemingly most of the town now wants to get rid of them. I can now understand why he said, "Personally, I can’t wait to leave the town." They sound like a bunch of inbred morons....errr...mormons.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can understand the way he feels. He has been betrayed by his community.

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