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‘Our worst nightmare’: New legal filings detail reporting of Rolling Stone’s U-Va. gang rape story

tito333

July 3, 2016
50 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/07/02/our-worst-nightmare-new-legal-filings-detail-reporting-of-rolling-stones-u-va-gang-rape-story/
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Title ‘Our worst nightmare’: New legal filings detail reporting of Rolling Stone’s U-Va. gang rape story
Author

tito333

Upvotes 50
Comments 25
Date July 3, 2016 5:01 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4r0q7z/our_worst_nightmare_new_legal_filings_detail/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/our-worst-nightmare-new-legal-filings-detail.946224
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Comments

[–]scruffist 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jackie Coakley deserves to be sued out of existence as much as Rolling Stone and Erdely do.

[–]disayle32 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They ain't sorry for lying. They're sorry for getting caught.

[–]lostapwbm 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Obviously, we regret any factual errors in any story,” the statement read. “But Rolling Stone believes the essential point of Jackie’s narrative is, in fact, true: a young woman suffered a horrific crime at a party, and a prestigious university reacted with indifference to her claim. This happens too often at college campuses all over America. Any mistakes we made were honest ones, trying hard to create a narrative and an investigation that would improve the prevention, investigation and prosecution of sexual violence. For that we would never apologize.”

Fuck the facts; push the narrative. Or as Dan Rather told us, it's fake, but accurate. The only thing Erdely and Rolling Stone did wrong is they got caught pushing the narrative.

Why any honest person takes these lying corporate media propaganda-pushing snakes at face value escapes me.

[–]tito333[S] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll ruin your life for webhits.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if they admit that they knew it was wrong, they get destroyed in court, but if they don't, then it's a much more plausible first amendment defense. that's why they're doubling down on stupid.

milo actually has a talk on this with ruben... that journalism has gone full retard and regularly reports total bullshit, destroying lives. hogan's lawsuit which bankrupted gawker is supposed to be the start of reining in this notion that the first amendment allows anyone to say anything whenever they want, regardless of who it harms and how it harms them.

[–]1TrueScotsman 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

trying hard to create a narrative

[–]Tmomp 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Erdely sent an e-mail ... with a simple subject line: “Our worst nightmare.” The body of the message detailed how Erdely no longer trusted the primary source for the most striking anecdote in her article: a U-Va. junior named “Jackie,”

Is she saying that a student not being raped and the fraternity being innocent is a worse nightmare than the student being raped and the fraternity guilty?

What kind of sick woman is this?

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of like Goebbels when he realized that Deutschland really wouldn't be Uber Alles.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rolling Stone journalist Sabrina Rubin Erdely spent five months investigating a shocking claim of a gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity

"investigating"...that word doesn't mean what they think it means.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A five minute search would have shown the student who raped her didn't exist.

[–]civilsaint 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Let's look at the positive here: this is the top-read story at WaPo right now. And it is a long story that paints a dark picture of the rape culture peddlers and their nefarious quest to support their big lie.

I just wish NOW was mentioned in there.

[–]redditorriot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why NOW?

[–]civilsaint 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They have not retracted support for Jackie and continue to cover for her lies.

[–]redditorriot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sources?

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://now.org/media-center/press-release/an-open-letter-to-uva-president-teresa-a-sullivan/

AFAIK, they've never issued a retraction of this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The plaintiff's lawyer was requesting that email correspondence between NOW and Rolling Stone be submitted as evidence of collusion between the two parties to defame in relation to the posting of the Open Letter.

[–]DashRiprockIII 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

...university reacted with indifference to her claim...

An appropriate reaction. Universities should not be involved in the private lives of students in just the same way that organizations are not involved in the private affairs of their employees. If a crime occurs the police should be informed, the crime investigated and charges laid.

[–]tito333[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like they just wanna create a culture where these kangaroo courts are seen as normal and necessary.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is the university unconcerned that one of their students that doesn't exist is gang raping women on campus?!?!?

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[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

-here's concrete evidence you did.

"Obviously I regret any factual errors in my statement, but I believe the narrative is still essentially correct."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She, the reporter, and the magazine wanted it to be true so much. That the rich white guys are monsters, eels, and rapist.

[–]skintwo 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the biggest problem here stems from:

"“After much internal debate we ultimately decided not to push her any farther, in order to protect her mental health, and honor her bravery for coming forward.”

They ASSUMED she was telling the truth because of her gender. And I think that is the crux of the problem.

I have had more than one friend, and a family member, been brutally raped by strangers. A drunk guy tried to have unprotected sex with me when I was crazy drunk in undergrad and basically could not move and kept saying "no" - and I didn't even consider that date rape, or honestly even all that weird. It happened all over the place.

I will tell you one thing. Not myself nor ANY of the people who I know who have been through anything like this would have worked with Rolling Stone to make an article about it. You don't want anyone to know.

Schools do underreport rapes. Schools try to deal with sexual abuse cases ON THEIR OWN so they can hide their numbers. The only people who should be involved are the police, period, but the schools do not tell you that, or don't even let the local police on campus ("campus police" is a fucking joke.)

I know someone who is a guy, and right now his ex-gf is trying to get him kicked out of law school - who shouldn't have even dated him in the first place, as she was his mentor. He didn't do anything to merit getting kicked out of school (he flipped out when she dumped him, as we have ALL done, on occasion). But the school is considering it anyway and THAT is bullshit. It's a very weird situation and there is no question in my mind if the genders were reversed, this would not even be a thing AT ALL. Very sad.

It's a horrible system both for those, of either gender, who have been raped, and those, of either gender, who have been falsely accused.

[–]tito333[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My best mate's fuck buddy kicked the door to his house, barged in, punch him, and then his female roommate sided with her, telling him he could have handled it better because he kicked her out of the house afterwards.

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