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I Was an Angry Men’s Rights Activist. Now I’m a Fierce Feminist: An MRA trying to earn a sociology degree is trapped alone with feminist until Stockholm Syndrome kicks in and he is converted

DougDante

July 1, 2016
14 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title I Was an Angry Men’s Rights Activist. Now I’m a Fierce Feminist: An MRA trying to earn a sociology degree is trapped alone with feminist until Stockholm Syndrome kicks in and he is converted
Author

DougDante

Upvotes 14
Comments 17
Date July 1, 2016 3:27 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4qpoh3/i_was_an_angry_mens_rights_activist_now_im_a/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/946320
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Comments

[–]mikesteane 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I simply don't believe any of this. It looks very much like a completely fabricated story to me.

[–]fengpi 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The individual in question does seem to be rather a dim bulb, what with his middling vocabulary, but it doesn't look fabricated to me.

The hack who created this item trawled the internet until he found a precious lone circus-freak who matched the individual he wished to find, ignoring the many MRAs who were feminists at one time or another.

That latter, larger group of people simply wouldn't have fit the bill.

[–]mikesteane 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are a number of reasons I am disinclined to believe it.

  1. Once someone has become an MRA, they see the misandry that is all around us and it is impossible to un-see. While there are those who lose interest, it is very rare for someone to believe in patriarchy and other nonsense once one has seen the checks and balances that actually exist.

  2. He claims to have been dating the same woman since 2004 but also says he split up with his girlfriend in 2006.

  3. When you click on the link to his name, the only thing that comes up is a page pointing back to this article. Now that would be understandable if he was writing anonymously or keeping his views quiet outside the Internet, but he says this is not the case in the article.

  4. The author, John McDermott, did indeed go trawling for an MRA turned feminist and his attempts to find such a person were published on this site before this article was published. It is highly likely that, under those circumstances, replies from made up characters will be forthcoming. As the infamous Rolling Stone article shows., when there is an agenda, fact checking may not be a priority for some journalists.

  5. The general nature of the publication is not one that inspires confidence in me. All the linked stories are first person narratives from unknown suppliers.

  6. The statement "Later I discovered I suffer from clinical depression" makes me doubt the sanity of the narrator.

[–]civilsaint 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The author, John McDermott, did indeed go trawling for an MRA turned feminist and his attempts to find such a person were published on this site before this article was published.

I knew I recognized the writing. I recognized this line:

Every time I look back at the men’s rights movement, all I see is negativity, rage, hate, bitterness and fear. But I don’t feel ashamed of my time in it. I don’t even know that I regret it, because without it, I might not have ended up where I am now. It turned me on to the study of men, and eventually to feminism.

If I remember correctly, this was the guy I responded to saying that I was sad that he had that experience with the MRM because I've had quite the opposite experience and found people to be up for discussion and quite unwelcoming to trolls. He then turned around and made fun of me on the /r/TheBluePill (or maybe it was someone else that did that).

Later I discovered I suffer from clinical depression" makes me doubt the sanity of the narrator

Depression isn't about 'sanity' as people think of it. Depression can be thought of as having a deep hatred for that which you possess. For instance, you possess life, and you hate it, so you want to die, but then you go to die, and you realize all of your options to do it suck, so you hate death, too. That would explain why he jumps over to the other side of the fence so fiercely. It is a coping mechanism for depression.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am well aware of what depression is, or certainly was, for me. My doubts about the man's sanity relate to the fact that A. he himself implies he wasn't capable of rational judgement and was thus able to be taken in by the MRM (an idea which should apply equally to his current adherence to feminism) and B. the fact that he needed to be told.

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Churches value converting the greatest sinners.

[–]frogtog 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew it from the first sentence for Kelowna is too small to have a downtown

[–]BDMR_lurker 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Unless I'm mistaken, we're about facts, people!

  • The Duluth model is law

  • Tender Years is law

  • Alimony is law

  • Rape being penis-only is law

  • the absence of male reproductive rights is an absence of law

  • men dropping out of education is a commonly reported and accepted statistics

  • men losing their kids in an stunning majority of divorces is a commonly reported and accepted statistics

  • men losing their assets in an stunning majority of divorces is a commonly reported and accepted statistics

  • fabricated accusations such as Mattress Girl or Rolling Stones girl are commonly reported facts

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

.

If this character's gripe with society was only feeling pressured into shaving his torso, I say fuck him.

Goes to show how staunch a MRA he was, and how 'fierce' a feminist he must be.

.

Regressive left crybullies are destroying society as we know it, without proposing a model, let alone a viable model, to replace it.

This is not fact, this is opinion.

By the time it becomes fact, it will be too late.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Tender Years doctrine WAS law, but has largely been replaced with Best Interests of the Child as the standard. It's generating the same general results, of course, but if our goal is accuracy ...

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right. I am not an American.

[–]never_said_that 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Duluth model is a standard, but i don't think its been encoded into law, at least not in a majority of states.

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're probably right, I'm not familiar with the US version of the Kelsen / Merkl hierarchy.

It's probably not law, as the "Dear Colleagues" letter is not law.

No practical difference, except it's a little easier to challenge.

And lawsuits are possible if it's successfully challenged :) .

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I read this one. The fellow in question refers to the author of 'Spreading Misandry' as "this guy", apparently unaware (by the article's grinning-idiot writer as well) that there were, in fact, two authors, one of whom was a gal.

Also, the cover-picture wasn't someone being strangled but an image taken from the early '80s Robert Longo photo series "Men in the Cities," which is not exactly obscure to someone who is familiar with '80s pop culture.

It's a very well-informed and intelligent account, obviously, that this individuals' easy to demolish MRA inclinations can be undone by an appropriate dose of warmed-over Marxism where "capitalism" is substituted by "patriarchy". /s

[–]redditorriot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've no doubt some people go from a non ideological MRA focus to feminist ideological focus, but this story as written has a far too eyerollingly convenient narrative in many places.

I'm calling BS.

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Every once in a while I’d stumble across men’s rights activists (MRAs) advocating killing feminists, and I’d think to myself, That’s insane. But then I’d do what a lot of MRAs do: I’d say, “Those voices are on the fringe,” and argue they didn’t speak for the movement as a whole.

'And then I joined feminism and heard some fringe feminists say "let's kill all men". What's the difference. Not only is this mentality not supported by the vast majority of MRAs or feminists, it is also illegal to incite violence, so the people that do this are idiots.

If you are making the leap from one ideology to the opposite ideology, you need to check your reasoning. You may just be an ideology junkie that gets caught up too much in movements.

Sure, I considered myself a feminist at one time. I don't anymore, and its not because I changed my views. I still believe in equality for all. I believe each gender has its issues that need to be addressed. It's like I started getting interested in Men's Issues and forgot about women needing reproductive rights.

[–]Vandechoz 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But then I’d do what a lot of MRAs do: I’d say, “Those voices are on the fringe,” and argue they didn’t speak for the movement as a whole.

Yep, I give feminists this one too. The "kill all men" folks are obviously not in the mainstream of feminism. There are plenty of reasons to be anti-feminist without bringing up those psychos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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