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Why women rule Westeros: 6 reasons Game of Thrones is a triumph for feminists. It has been more of a feminist love-in than a Hillary Clinton support rally.

furchfur

June 26, 2016
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Title Why women rule Westeros: 6 reasons Game of Thrones is a triumph for feminists. It has been more of a feminist love-in than a Hillary Clinton support rally.
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furchfur

Upvotes 23
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Date June 26, 2016 11:33 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–]bougabouga 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Oh please, how many articles did we get about Game of thrones being a sexist show because from time to time a women had her breasts out.

[–]TrialsAndTribbles 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Or someone got raped like sansa.

[–]Pariahdog119 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

No, that was Jeyne Pool.

And now I'm going to go hide in my fortress of books and pretend HBO doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's not Jeyne Poole, that's Arya

[–]americnleprchaun 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No it's Jeyne in the books coerced into pretending to be Arya for the sake of the wedding

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know man, that was my shitty joke

[–]americnleprchaun 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh mb

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe you're looking for /r/dreadfort

[–]TrialsAndTribbles -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Good reason why I dont read such books.

[–]NOT_A_SENTIENT_DILDO 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Cause reality is fucking brutal and the books refuse to shy away from that fact? Gee.. don't go outside then.

[–]TrialsAndTribbles -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]NOT_A_SENTIENT_DILDO 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why not then? It never fetishizes the atrocities. In the books when it happens it's shown as a completely horrific and terrible experience. Even in the show they go through great amounts of trouble to show how damaging it is to sansa to be raped. Have you ever read "The Road?" I'd recommend it. Not because I enjoy any of the scenes depicted. But because it gives me a sense of just how morally depraved reality will allow us to become. After reading it i felt profoundly different as a human being. I felt I had more control of my own choices, actions, and the overall level of morality i hold myself to.

Real life is fucking terrible. And coming to terms with that has made me far more capable of judging right from wrong in my own life. I suggest you read something dark. It's actually quite fulfilling.

Game of thrones is a good example of literature that displays a realistic view of the morality of mankind, of the duality of dark and light, good and evil within all of us. The world will never be perfect. But there isn't even room for improvement if people like you won't allow it. But by all means... stay in your bubble. It's a G-rated safe-space in there after all. Reality can't get in.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]NOT_A_SENTIENT_DILDO -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you could be like most normal people and appreciate them both. Don't worry. You're not one of those cunts. You're worse.

[–]iaimtomisbehav3 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ironically, most of the women that have come to rule have done so due to a man dying. Either by war or through some stupid choice a woman made.

[–]DanMooreTheManWhore 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that how all people come to rule? It's feudalism. How else would they do it? You can't have 2 kings.

[–]irapejokes 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shit. Why call out GoT specifically? This is every movie or TV show that's ever come out of Hollywood in the past 40 years. A man and a woman are going to have a physical confrontation? The woman is OBVIOUSLY going to win, duh, women always beat men in physical conflicts. In Hollywood, anyway.

[–]DanMooreTheManWhore -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your point? It's a movie, it's no less believable then a guy beating up 20 other guys at the same time, is it?

[–]dolandoes 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

is it cool to like this show without taking it personally?

is it cool to like any fantasy now and to try to escape the hardships of life with a little ENJOYMENT for once without taking it personally and over analyzing it?

or am i just out of the times?

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you 100%, not every fucking movie has to be political analyased as if its propoganda being approved by a political committee.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the auld switcheroo!

A. See one too many rape scenes and blow up the Internet with articles about how sexist GoT is.

B. Get savaged by fans for being feminist dunces who miss that the female characters in GoT are not in 21st Century western democracies, but are modeled on the Anglo-Saxon invasion era of British history. They wield different power, a different way, because direct power isn't available. That doesn't make them weak, it makes them creative and ingenious. Besides, EVERYONE suffers in GoT. For every Sansa, there's a Theon.

C. When the "GoT is sexist" angle doesn't fly, because anyone with any knowledge of the series knows the claim is bullshit, and the claim was made with most of the female characters being mid-arc, right when they specifically face challenges they have to overcome ... out comes the articles about how feminist GoT is.

[–]TetVonD 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought that said Westboro at first, and I was like nuh uh. (I've never seen game of thrones)

[–]dagthegnome 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want to suggest that we shouldn't point out misandry in the media, even in fictional shows like GoT, but, really, it's just a TV show. The last thing we should be doing is allowing ourselves to be consumed by outrage culture, and start hating on any cultural material that carries perceived messages we don't like. Yes, Game of Thrones is full of messages about how evil men can be. It's also a lot of fun and I'm not going to stop watching it. Unless they kill Tyrion. Then I'll stop watching it.

[–]Kuato2012 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

One of the things GoT gets praised for is its lack of "plot armor," which keeps viewers on their toes. Except... GRRM definitely plays favorites, and the female characters are mostly his favorites. Males get a pass if they are physically disabled in some way (how many castrated characters do we have now? Three?). Jon Snow is the main exception... he's an able bodied male leader who we're not meant to actively root against.

We've known since season 1 that Daenerys was going to holier-than-thou her way to the Iron Throne. We've known since the beginning that Arya Stark was going to defy all odds to become the greatest ass-kicker there ever was. We've known since meeting Brienne of Tarth that she is going to become the greatest knight who ever knighted. And now we know that Yara Greyjoy is going to fulfill the "women would rule better" trope for the Iron Islands.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the female characters are mostly his favorites

Well... it IS fantasy after all ;-)

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the vibe that Brienne is some kind of lesbian fan worship object?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is she, though? If one looks beyond the neoteny and good looks, it's possibly obvious that she is a murderous genocidal conqueror, good at impaling the good masters, but awful at actually ruling.

Varys was right all along, she should have been poisoned when they had the chance.

[–]Kuato2012 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If I recall, GRRM is on record saying that Daenerys and Tyrion are his favorite characters. No way he's going to plot twist her into a villain (though I personally think that would be an excellent turn).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I have no doubt in my mind. Daenerys is always shown in a heroic light. However, one man's hero is another one's villain.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly how I've seen her arc progressing. She's shown as sympathetic in the beginning and growing into a strong leader. She then gets a bit too power hungry and self-righteous, leading her to become cold, harsh, and despotic. To her and her entourage she's the second coming. To literally all of Westeros she'd be seen as a monster, a warlord come to obliterate everyone. She's a "Robert Neville" type.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A Targaryen through and through, if you think about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how it's a triumph for feminists now that Sansa is back in Winterfell... and a whole bunch of men died getting her there, while she did very little except provide counsel and relay messages.

When she was a captive, it was rape cultury misogyny.

Granted, I don't blame her for not fighting. She's not a warrior, and it's not really her fault for not being one.

[–]PotatoDonki 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That first photo says "warrior women." Only one of those women is a warrior. None of the others have ever been depicted fighting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Daenerys has. Granted, Drogon did most of the work.

[–]PotatoDonki 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When has Daenerys actually fought? Physically, herself. That's what makes a warrior.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, she didn't wield any weapons. She rode Drogon into battle and directed him.

So, real world equivalent would be a tank operator.

No, I wouldn't call her a warrior, but she has been depicted fighting.

[–]jedijackattack1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is only cause all the men already killed each other

[–]equiposeur 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hollywood is so scared of feminist criticism that it has started tailoring its plots to appease them. Season 6 of Game of Thrones[1] is a prime example.

It is like the artists who worked under communist rule--they can produce work, but only so long as nothing undermines the official narrative.

[1] At least, so far, and best exemplified by last week's episode "Battle of the Bastards."

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mmmm, i haven't been watching this season, and now i may never do so.

[–]Bonesteel50 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have taken power positions in the past. There are plenty of strong men too, but they don't have the right name in order to take power. OR connections. etc.

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