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Could you imagine if this was a male washed up singer? So many lawsuits, so much "Shame on you"

2ZettaSlow

March 20, 2016
49 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/mar/18/madonna-fan-defends-pop-star-after-brisbane-stunt-has-girls-breast-exposed?CMP=share_btn_fb
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Title Could you imagine if this was a male washed up singer? So many lawsuits, so much "Shame on you"
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2ZettaSlow

Upvotes 49
Comments 22
Date March 20, 2016 2:43 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4b60qu/could_you_imagine_if_this_was_a_male_washed_up/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/could-you-imagine-if-this-was-a-male-washed-up.953675
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[–]Blutarg 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Madonna has been ripping people off for decades.

[–]2ZettaSlow[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see what you did there.

[–]bakedpotato486 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

archive please. it already was, just without the string after the question mark in the url.

[–]blueoak9 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It "could be sexual assault"? Madonna is a predatory old lecher, for all her fine work over the decades. It's really just that simple.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A rich white woman... yeah, nothing will happen to her.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

If the victim didn't complain then I doubt anyone would care although given the image most older male singers try and cultivate I can't imagain many of them actualy doing it.

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[+]geniice -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Prove it.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]geniice -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Uhh, look at the amount of shit Justin Timberlake got for the 2004 halftime mishap with Janet Jackson?

That was more that it was on live TV. Meawhile breasts feature in eurodance and certian subsets of rock and metal on a pretty regular basis without raising much in the way of fuss. Do you think they are all over 18?

[–]thatlowdowndirty47 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Do those include artist calling fan to stage and physically tearing off an article of clothing?

What about the amount of shit Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus got for her just grinding on him during a performance? Cmon, there's a blatant double standard here and you know.

[+]geniice -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What about the amount of shit Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus got for her just grinding on him during a performance?

Again that was to do with it being on TV. You think Steel Panther could even exist if that had to work by those standards?

Cmon, there's a blatant double standard here and you know.

Well then you will be able to provide evidence for it.

[–]thatlowdowndirty47 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Already did. You refused it on a faulty basis of "it was dealing with television". You're attempting to contextualize it in a favorable situation for yourself so you can continuous fall back on that basis. The evidence has been shown, you can chose to take it or not, but realize, you are not correct. I'd love to see Trey Songz pull down a chick's blouse and sing to her everlasting, but Trey Songz isn't dumb. He knows they'll be a shit storm. Ooo, how I'd love for Drake to tug on Nicki Minaj's unitard while she's giving him a sweet lap dance, but of course, Drake isn't dumb. He know's his career would be in the toilet.

Your bias is showing.

[–]geniice -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Already did. You refused it on a faulty basis of "it was dealing with television". You're attempting to contextualize it in a favorable situation for yourself so you can continuous fall back on that basis.

Are you really trying to argue that something happening on the super-bowl half-time show isn't relevant context.

[–]dungone 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

After you pass the threshold of tens of thousands of people watching a concert and taking photos and videos of the event, I fail to see a qualitative difference.

[–]equiposeur 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Prove it.

Prove it's not so. You don't get to dictate who holds the burden of proof in the discussion.

I recognize what dewso said is true. How do I know? Because I live and breathe.

[–]marauderp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you about the double standard but you're absolutely wrong about the burden of proof.

It's likely that a man who ripped the shirt off of a 17-year-old girl on stage would be shredded in the press. I'd bet money on it. A lot of money. But until it happens it's just speculation.

[–]equiposeur 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But until it happens it's just speculation.

This point of view relegates many discussions that are worth having to the status of "just speculation."

My point about burden of proof is that it is a common and lazy rhetorical trick to claim the other side has not established proof up to some invented standard. The technique tends to be dishonest, too, because people who use it cherry pick which assertions they want to make this claim against.

In fact, the concepts of presumption and burden of proof are interesting and rich. (Ie: How do you decide what level of proof is needed in a particular discussion, and who bears the burden?) But just throwing down "prove it," like it's a trump card, is cheap.

[–]geniice -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okey in that case you should be able to logicaly prove it from the statements that you live and breath. Please do so.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prove otherwise yourself. Given that the weight and mass of evidence is against you.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the what zilonth thread on this. I watched the video and it was accident and if the girl had been a matter of months older she'd be 18 and legal. Yes if this had been a dude the shit would hit the fan, but were not feminists were adults and we can choose to act like grown ups and not act like Modonna had raped this girl on stage while she screamed for help.

Guys we need to pick our battles wiser.

[–]2ZettaSlow[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody said anything about Madona being guilty or shameful for this.

If this happened to a male singer, id also think it wasn't a big news. simply putting it out there that it would get a huge negative media rap if it was otherwise.

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