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‘Is Dad on babysitting duty today?' 'No, he's not a babysitter, he is a parent': Mummy blogger writes about the 'dumb-a** things' people need to stop saying to fathers

TR6Cool

February 8, 2016
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Title ‘Is Dad on babysitting duty today?' 'No, he's not a babysitter, he is a parent': Mummy blogger writes about the 'dumb-a** things' people need to stop saying to fathers
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 343
Comments 39
Date February 8, 2016 9:10 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 58 points59 points60 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Feminists complain that the patriarchy forces women in to a child care role.

In reality most of the shaming of male parents seems to come from women. They seem threatened they men might intrude on their turf so they denigrate them constantly.

[–]AcidJiles 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

It is a strange situation, women are being torn between what their role should be by feminists when they should just do what suits them best whether that be career minded, child focused or a mix. Feminism forces women to be conflicted when they shouldn't need to be, whatever choice they make is fine as long as they understand the consequences and how that affects themselves and their partners and they also respect their partners and their choices and sacrifices. Feminism teaches a level of self hate that patriarchy if real would struggle to achieve.

[–]SiriusHertz 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem seems to be that feminism, like any racial discrimination fight, started out by fighting systemic problems. Women were not permitted by society to do some things. I think we all agree that needed to change - and has changed. There is little that women are forbidden to do these days, in the western world at least.

The problem is that once they had mostly solved the society-wide, systemic problems, feminism did not go away - it decided to reinvent itself as the arbiter of every individual woman's life choices. It's like a group of neighborhood busy bodies shoving into everyone else's business, to the point where their opinions become internalized. That's not ok.

[–]franklindeer 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not an entirely accurate view of how things got to where they are. Feminist ideology was attacking and degrading the traditional roles of women and individual choice in the 60's and particularly the 70's. It isn't something that happened after more rights for women had been won but something that was happening at the same time.

[–]SiriusHertz 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

:shrug: ok. The women's rights movement dates back to at least the 1790s, but sequential or simultaneous, the point stands. I don't see the civil rights movement dictating what real black people are "allowed" or "supposed" to do, for example - not on the same systemic and unopposed scale.

What I really want to ask feminism (as if it was some monolithic organization - ha!) is, you are not willing to accept limitations, restrictions, and rules from "men", "the patriarchy", or whoever the perceived enemy is, and that's good. So why are you trying so hard to replace those problems with the same problems from inside your own movement, from other women? It's not a power vaccum to be filled, it's the freedom you want, and fought so hard for!

[–]C0uN7rY 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

whatever choice they make is fine as long as they understand the consequences

That's the crux though. They don't want there to be ANY consequences regardless of which choice they make.

Think of their gripe on wage gap and all that. They want to be able to get a job and do as well as men, which is fine and good, but then they want to work fewer hours to have more family time, often leave early or arrive late due to things regarding their children, they want to take several weeks or even months of maternity leave, or even leave the career field completely for several years, etc etc. Then, after all these things (that their male counterparts don't do) they are confused and angry about the fact that they aren't as far ahead or making as much money.

[–]AcidJiles 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The women I have seen get ahead are those that know and accept the consequences, they are capable and motivated and do well but are not complaining that they have to work the same hours as a man to do as well. They hate women who slide up the ladder using feminine charms or by what is between their legs as they work hard and receive the benefits, their don't want their hard work to be diminished by others taking the easy route.

[–]MustacheBus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think that modern feminism does not want consequences. Comment is about women's choices and how feminism effects their choices. Women and feminists are not interchangeable.

[–]C0uN7rY 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I meant. I meant feminist women and those who buy into it. Not all or even most women by any means.

[–]QSquared -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Male counterparts most definitly alter their schedules and take days off etc for their children, and also take time off to be with the baby, way to generalize and denegrate those men who put in an effort to be a part of their children's lives.

As for come in late and go home early, thag generally means working sane hours instead of making your job your life.

Your job isn't your life, your job is juat something you do to enable you to have a life.

[–]C0uN7rY 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Male counterparts most definitly alter their schedules and take days off etc for their children, and also take time off to be with the baby, way to generalize and denegrate those men who put in an effort to be a part of their children's lives.

Yes, and those men will also see similar results as women in their career. I'm not saying men or women SHOULD dedicate more time to work or more time to family. I am saying, to choose family means slower advancement in career and to choose career means less time with family. No one gets to have it all.

Also, if you were to look up the numbers, you'd see that on average, women take much more time off work and work fewer hours than. Obviously there are exceptions, however the average man works more hours and take less time off than the average woman.

As for come in late and go home early, thag generally means working sane hours instead of making your job your life.

I agree. However, everything is cost and reward in this world. The guy who spends 60 hours a week on work is going to get more money and faster advancement than the guy who spends 40 hours a week. On the flip side, the guy who works only 40 gets more down time and more time with family than the 60 hour guy. One gets less family time for more money, the other gets more family time, but less money.

That was my entire point. There are consequences for every single decision we make. It is up to the individual to decide if the positives of a given choice are worth the negatives. We don't get to have it all here in the real world.

[–]QSquared 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My evidence is anectdotal, so perhaps worthless to you, but counter to yours, so poat something that that shows otherwise.

Plenty of people men and women included work 60+ hours a week and don't get ahead. Meanwhile I know many high paid men who take time regularly to be with their children and keep their hours sane, and that isn't new behavior for them now that they are on-top.

I agree less men do it than should, which unfairly raises the bar in the eyes of others, but to indicate the only way you can get a fair wage is to work yourself to death is a flawed view.

You're working against the interests of all workers to state otherwise.

[–]HardKase 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but that's the patriarchy because they have been conditioned to say this by their name overlords.

/s just in case. I can never tell with you guys

[–]blueoak9 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists complain that the patriarchy forces women in to a child care role.

So NOW is a patriarchal organization. What a betrayal!/s

[–]--Visionary-- 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In reality most of the shaming of male parents seems to come from women.

FTFY.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I really try not to get offended by this, because I think it come from a place of envy. Like, the women who do this probably were raised with an inferiority complex built on traditional gender roles, thinking women are best in the kitchen and men in the workforce. So, having these biased thoughts leads them to believe that they are better than men at raising children. It's all they have in their minds so they need to bring it up to make themselves feel better. That's just what I was thinking, but it makes some sense, no?

[–]explicitlarynx 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(Female) German blogger and comic artist "erzählmirnix" made a comic about this last October:

https://erzaehlmirnix.wordpress.com/2015/10/17/rueckstaendig/

Translation:

1st Panel: "Huh, fancy briefcase! Whose is it?" "The briefcase? Mine, of course." "That's nice. Has your husband entrusted you with some errands? It's really great when women help with all that file-stuff."

2nd Panel: "Excuse me? Which century do you live in? I'm an investment adviser, the briefcase is mine and I'm not running errands for my husband. What kind of reactionary image of women do you have?" "Oh, please excuse me. I wasn't implying that, as a woman, you're automatically only qualified to do menial work."

3rd Panel: "Especially not after you've been so kind as to praise me for 'babysitting' my children."

[–]mindless_gibberish 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I drove my (3) kids to a weekend soccer tournament last summer by myself, as the wife was out of town. All the moms there marveled at what a good job I did.

On one hand, great, I'll take it as a compliment. On the other, how low are their expectations? This isn't rocket science. I wasn't doing any more than what they were doing. They are my kids.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of moms like to play up hope difficult their job is to father sympathy/respect.

Hence the hostility to men doing this. If men take on this job it'll be harder for those women to maintain this image of motherhood being literally the most difficult job ever. Also why when men do just fine at it without complaint they have to denigrate their efforts "oh sure it didn't seem difficult for you, but that's because you didn't do a good job of it. The kids clothes don't coordinate and I would have made spaghetti instead of a sandwich and...."

[–]Mister_Kurtz 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did something similar when my kids were young. There were definitely more Moms on the sidelines than Dads.

[–]rebar71 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe not related, maybe it is... but I get so damn sick of hearing women qualify just about anything they say by starting with, "as a mom..." puh-lease - as a dad, STFU.

[–]actingverystrangely 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The times they are a changin'

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And it's wonderful to see, as people have predicted, a lot of times it's going to be the mothers, sisters, wives and girlfriends who actually know what men are like that speak out most against these stupid man haters.

[–]RedBigMan 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'Is Mom on breadwinning duty today?' 'No, she's not. She is a parent'

[–]Gnometard 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mummy should be writing about how it matters not what others say

[–]JMS230 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom told me that saying these things are compliment to the father... Ya k.

[+][deleted] -27 points-26 points-25 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The complaint in the title is everything I hate about the world.

Don't bitch about semantics you asshole.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's more than semantics.

Imaging telling a female CEO that obviously she's just a secretary playing boss while her husband is out. It's adorable, but don't touch anything or you might burn the company down. When will the man who's obviously in charge return?

[+][deleted] -21 points-20 points-19 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The day "Are you babysitting today?" to any parent is "against my religion", I'm fucking out. That's when we have officially become feminism.

MUH MICROAGGRESSIONS.

Grow up.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, bye.

[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy being everything wrong with feminism.

[–]Grumpchkin 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit like this displays a clear lack of respect and support for stay at home fathers, it's pretty clear that they are mocking fathers who would rather take care of their child instead of working.

It is a problem as it shames fathers for not being the stereotypical working father, it's not the microaggression that is the problem, it's the underlying attitude towards fathers in general.

[–]blueoak9 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not semantics, you asshole, it's substance.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, it's fucking micro-aggressions. You idiots complain about feminists doing things, but instead of making them stop, you start doing those things instead. It's actually quite interesting.

Next you're going to start complaining about people calling you dude, or bro.

[–]blueoak9 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You clueless little shit. You've obviously never been a father and have no clue about what you're talking about.

Micro-aggressions? You obviously are completely ignorant on this point - schools that won't notify fathers or even take their contact information, fathers who get the evil eye at parks looking after their children are hardly "micro-aggressions. Go away until you have some kind of a clue.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No, but someone saying "Is dad on babysitting duty today?" is a fucking micro-aggression aka a non-issue, you clueless little shit, which is the title, which is what I was fucking referring to in the first place.

[–]blueoak9 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Is dad on babysitting duty today?" is a fucking micro-aggression aka a non-issue

Treating fathers like secondary parents is a real world issue. These attitudes turn into court decisions. If you don't see that, fine; but then stay ion your lane and comment on what you know.

[–]jb_trp 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I agree with both of you (up to a point). I see feminists complain all the time about the tiniest and dumbest issues. It's almost as if you as anything about a woman and it's automatically sexist.

I enjoyed the article OP posted and think it has some good points: Men are often discriminated against as parents and portrayed as incompetent and such. But we can take it too far. We could just as easily ask, "Is mommy on babysitting duty?" It doesn't have to be offensive. And I agree with you... I also worry that the MRM is slowly going the way of Third Wave Feminism (a worldview that manufactures victims and is not empowering at all).

[–]blueoak9 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With respect, this is not a manufactured offense. Taking men's children away from them is not a manufactured problem. And when some breeder makes a comment to that effect, the correct response is not to blow it off like it doesn't matter, the correct response is to make that man-hating cunt regret she opened her mouth and make her dread ever being that vicious again.

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