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Woman Misses Her Court-Ordered Subpoena, Judge Denies the PP

FightinRndTheWorld

October 9, 2015
225 upvotes
/r/PussyPassDenied
http://abcnews.go.com/US/tough-words-judge-sends-abuse-victim-jail/story?id=34324384
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Title Woman Misses Her Court-Ordered Subpoena, Judge Denies the PP
Author

FightinRndTheWorld

Upvotes 225
Comments 78
Date October 9, 2015 8:09 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/3o53i2/woman_misses_her_courtordered_subpoena_judge/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPassDenied/woman-misses-her-court-ordered-subpoena-judge.959597
https://theredarchive.com/post/959597
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[–]Kite23 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And of course ABC goes on a crusade for the woman

[–]SexistFlyingPig 48 points49 points50 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, notice how the guy, simply on the accusation, does 16 days in jail. Since the trial can't continue without the victim's appearance, he's just fucked. She gets 3 days in jail. boo hoo.

The biggest victims here are the kid and the state. The state has to deal with this trainwreck of a woman. Nobody wins.

[–]jdgalt 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even 16 days will likely cost the guy his job and his home. The accuser ought to suffer at least as much. Also, I'd like to hear what provocation by either side may have preceded the use of force (if there even was any).

[+][deleted] -34 points-33 points-32 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Stupid women,always too cowardly to face their abusers.

/s

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the article, that's not what this is. She just realized that she'd lose child support if he went to prison.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Not /s. The guy gets a lesser charge and maybe this will make you realize something: as someone not convicted of domestic violence he can still purchase firearms. He won't be on any type of list as domestic abusers usually are. Shocking right? Such a minor detail, but a man that is proven to be violent gets off easy and who knows what will happen down the road. All because of "anxiety"? Give me a fucking break. Show up to court when you're ordered to appear.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

proven

Hold on, SexistFlyingPig said it was just an accusation.

[–]mcavvacm 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The law is the law, right? You show up for your court date no matter who you are.

You know what a good excuse is though? Being admitted to a hospital at the time for a serious enough reason.

[–]14_year_old_girl 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're Hillary Clinton

[+]AhmedF -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's hilarious everyone is upset with Hilary over the email server... except that Colin Powell did the exact same thing.

I wonder how many of the Hilary-detractors would have complained about Powell's...

[–]Anaxamandrous 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did Colin Powell influence US policy in Libya for the financial gain of that Blue Menthol dude? Nope, that was HRC. Blumenthal had the name of a CIA contact in Libya, emailed it to HRC's insecure server. And instead of raise her concerns over that, HRC forwarded the email on to someone else. Then lied about it. I doubt that contact was killed or probably even exposed by that colossal lapse in judgment, ethics, and compliance with the fucking law, but they could have died easy as anything had that email leaked. HRC is criminally reckless and incompetent as well as corrupt.

The funny part about it all is now Obama can see (has seen) emails where dear old Blumenthal and HRC shared their thoughts how Obama was weak on Libya. That should do wonders for her getting his endorsement down the road.

[+]14_year_old_girl -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm referring to benghazi

[–]AhmedF 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Should we cue what the Republicans have recently said about it?

Or do you believe that security was explicitly her fault?

[–]14_year_old_girl -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea.

[+]AhmedF -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait, what law did she break again?

[–]14_year_old_girl 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2 U.S.C.A. § 192

[–]Anaxamandrous -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You must be living in a cave if you actually had to ask that.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Worried other domestic abuse victims won't come forward? Na don't think so. If anything this gives them more incentive to follow through when they press charges, instead of skipping trial to save the abuser.

[–]anon445 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, if anything, it's going to decrease how frequently they report it. She's not wrong.

[–]willfordbrimly 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The woman said, in her defense during the hearing, that she did not want the alleged abuser to be convicted because when he'd been jailed previously, he'd lost his job and had been unable to pay child support.

Well ain't that fuckin magnanimous of her.

[–]DarkestJ 42 points43 points44 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

It takes a special kind of stupid to call the cops and have an alleged abuser hauled off, then decide to not show up after a court order has been sent off because you don't want to lose child support.

If you don't want legal intervention, why bother calling the cops and going through with the process? Truly a remarkably dumb individual.

[–]thelordofcheese 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Gotta luv the media calling him an abuser when it's ALLEGED and the trial never happened and the only evidence was her own accusation which is an accusation NOT EVIDENCE.

[+]borrrden -37 points-36 points-35 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

It didn't go to trial because he took a plea bargain. He pleaded no contest to battery which is the same as guilty for most intents and purposes.

[–]thelordofcheese 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

No it is not.

[+]borrrden -22 points-21 points-20 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What is different (aside from not having to write it when you say you have been convicted of crimes in the past)?

[–]SavageJho11 points 10 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

There may be cases where you're just fucked evidence wise and it's easier to just throw in the towel rather than face additional charges. There was an ELI5 about this about a year ago. I'll try to find it in a bit. It's unfortunate, but true.

At least in the literal sense, not disputing charges and being proved guilty of them beyond all doubt is not the same thing. Maybe you just DGAF and plead no contest. It doesn't prove you did those things.

[+]borrrden -20 points-19 points-18 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So because he pled no contest the charges are forever "alleged"? I mean it just doesn't make logical sense to me. If you plead guilty, you also don't have a trial and nothing gets "proved" so what is the difference really? It seems like a part of a deal to say "own up to what you did and we will let you off easier".

[–]SavageJho9 points 10 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

When the defendant strikes a plea bargain with the prosecution, the prosecution may drop certain charges. IANAL.

[–]Wampasully 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Get outta here Savage Jho! Quit ruining all my hunts!

[–]Stickupkid4200 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, hello there! I ANAL as well. Got any plans later?

[–]SavageJho1 points 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Hahaha! I always wondered when someone else would use that joke. Having drinks and turkey. Have a great weekend man!

[–]RBeck 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The point of pleading no contest is you aren't "testifying" against yourself for civil purposes. If she sues him for something a guilty plea is easier to use against him.

Most people who plead no contest do because it just sounds better.

[–]borrrden -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So what would be the final "judgement" on whether or not he actually committed the crime in question if he pleads no contest and as a result serves jail time? Did he "do it"?

[–]RBeck 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a conviction so yes it's the same as if he pled guilty. The "no contest" thing is for rare cases.

[–]thelordofcheese 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He probably hit her in self defense and the DA is a whiteknight mangina who uses the Duluth model to inflate convictions and increase court revenue.

[–]GreatSince86 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is commonplace in the court systems.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Under your parents roof isn't homeless. Your parents baby sitting your one year old isn't foster care. These commentators lying and crying about what could have happened are just sad. Saying how's she's gonna get a job with her new criminal record is bullshit.

[–]RvnscrftMy Grandmother plays dildo games with my ass 31 points32 points33 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm, like, homeless now. I'm living at my parents' house." Weapons grade idiot.

[–]administratosphere 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Insanely biased news report.

[–]blueking13 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if that bitch didn't show up to a simple court date without at least calling before skipping it what makes you think she would do better showing up regularly for community service?

[–]nicodiumus 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is really too much of a grey area to be considered PPD. It is hard to validate the judges behavior. I know people who were in the same situation as this woman (assuming she was being honest). They only wanted it over with because they were already traumatized enough and didn't have the money, or support structures, to get out of the situation.

[–]SexistFlyingPig 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

| (assuming she was being honest)

That's the whole point. She wasn't being honest and didn't show up in court. The judge put her in jail and didn't give her the free "oh, you poor woman, victim of domestic abuse, do whatever you want and screw over everyone else, we'll just believe whatever bullshit story you come up with"

[+]nicodiumus -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you an expert in the behavior of persons who have survived traumatic situations? You are jumping to rash decisions. How would this be any different than claiming fault on a soldier who suffers from PTSD. People act irrationally under such strain. You are using a single statement I made to discount my full summation of things. I could claim your argument is incorrect because your mind set is one which says "Do what ever you want and screw everyone else". Don't be lazy about this. Try and have a rational discussion.

[–]willfordbrimly 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People act irrationally under such strain.

That line could apply to the abuser as well so I'm not sure what you're aiming for. Living with anxiety is tough, but there still have to be consequences for being a flake.

[+]ControlBear -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you find a single post in this sub that isn't deemed to be in a grey area or actually a pussy pass granted? I don't remember one. :/

[–]nicodiumus -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that it is posted in PPD makes is subject to question based on it's content.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I guess I know that I still hate Nancy Grace.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That narrative, that spin, that one sidedness. Oh, and throw in the incredulous ramblings of Nancy Grace. I came.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Heh, you said pp.

[–]BrassBass 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That video was... Did he actually assault her, or was the shit completely made up?

[–]nealxg 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Florida Spousal Privilege section:

90.504 Husband-wife privilege.— (3) There is no spousal privilege under this section: (a) In a proceeding brought by or on behalf of one spouse against the other spouse. (b) In a criminal proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime committed at any time against the person or property of the other spouse, or the person or property of a child of either. (c) In a criminal proceeding in which the communication is offered in evidence by a defendant-spouse who is one of the spouses between whom the communication was made.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SexistFlyingPig 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it is PPD.

The entire situation is of her own making. The judge is punishing her for this. She was trying to use the "I'm a survivor of domestic abuse" claim as her get out of jail free card.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheBlueEdition 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

And what evidence that situation of knife point actually occurred? Oh, wait, none, because she skipped her court date.

The dude got sent to jail for 16 days, she got 3.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheBlueEdition 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He plead no contest.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheBlueEdition 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a pretty big hair i'm splitting than. You're wrong. It's okay.

[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheBlueEdition 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Watch the video....

[+]One10soldier1 -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Jail the victim for not having the strength to face her attacker... PPD indeed...

[–]DargonFier 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She ignored a subpoena. There are consequences for doing so.

[–]One10soldier1 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes she did... And society is better off with her in jail. I mean, that's what jail is for... Right?

[–]DargonFier 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. Her weekend in jail will be an example for other people who don't show up for court when ordered to.

[–]serj730 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy fuck reddit! I'm trying really had to stay subscribed to this because I do enjoy a good justice post, but this is just sad. Being a victim of abuse, whether you're a man or woman, has to be such a life altering situation that can destroy your life and how you can function around others. The comments here just sound happy that she went to jail, despite the context. I know she technically did something unlawful, but man, it's just getting harder and harder to read these comments. I know I'll get downvoted to oblivion but I just needed to say this because dealing with abuse personally and reading these comments got me really anxious.

[–]MagicDave 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, this is one of the reasons I am here. This woman, throwing things like "My anxiety" out there as a general excuse, like it's of her go-to's. "Enable me, please!" Seeing women like this shut down is why I'm here.

[–]Millenia0 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost choked when the reporter said the abuse victim was "victimized all over again" BY THE FUCKING LAW?!

[–]i_will_cut_jew-12 points 10 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

This is not PP denied. This is a woman who was beat.

[–]Class_not_swag_girls11 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Allegedly beat.

[–]TheBlueEdition 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then missed trial.

[+]chrisindub -20 points-19 points-18 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

So now her child doesn't have a mom for a while so the court can get its conviction?

Um, fuck this judge. This is American Justice?

No wonder we have 1/4 of the world's prison inmates.

Edit: The irony of Aaron Schwartz who founded reddit killing himself because of predatory courts like these is obviously lost on you misogynists.

[–]DargonFier 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She ignored a subpoena. There are consequences for doing so, no matter who you are.

[–]chrisindub -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What is the point of these consequences that punish the victim of this crime?

It benefits the court and no one else.

It's just another example of how our out of control legal system ruins people's lives.

[–]DargonFier 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She was a victim of a crime.

By not showing up to court, she committed a crime of her own.

It's a weekend in jail. Certainly not something "life ruining".

[–]chrisindub 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When you are a single parent, what do you think happens if you go to jail for a weekend?

[–]DargonFier 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She lives with her parents. The kid will be fine. (They likely babysit a bunch already as it is.)

Even if that wasn't the case, she should have thought about that when she decided to ignore the subpoena. People can and do end up in jail for contempt of court. It's not an unusual outcome.

[–]chrisindub 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's unfortunate that our system punishes victims in this manner.

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