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Rousey shouldn't get a pass on domestic violence

barensoul

November 12, 2015
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Title Rousey shouldn't get a pass on domestic violence
Author

barensoul

Upvotes 131
Comments 35
Date November 12, 2015 8:43 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3sksu4/rousey_shouldnt_get_a_pass_on_domestic_violence/
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[–]Lethn 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

"It’s a crime, and it’s not only committed by men."

Holy crap, are news journalists finally starting to admit the obvious? I guess they can't use the old ironically sexist excuses of men being able to easily overpower women in this case.

[–]lasciate 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Let's be honest the reason Rousey is getting pilloried for a single incident of what seems like self-defense while Solo got a pass for a history of violent behavior is Rousey's outspoken refusal to join the cult of victimization Feminism wants all women inducted into.

Edit: unlike several people in this thread I'm not going to shit on Rousey just to show I can hang with the bullshit Feminist standard of condemnation, i.e. "it's never ok to hit someone!" Sometimes it's fucking okay.

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No the thing you don't realise is, she blatantly went overboard, what the guy did was wrong, but after you get somebody out of the way you don't then proceed to beat the shit out of the guy just for doing something you don't like.

It's called self-control and she clearly had absolutely none and if you think that kind of behaviour is okay I'd be wary about meeting people like you in private myself in case you ever lost your shit.

[–]lasciate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

“I slapped him across the face so hard my hand hurt,” Rousey wrote. The ex-boyfriend doesn’t respond physically, but he blocks the door and refuses to move when Rousey tries to leave. “I punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook. He staggered back and fell against the door,” Rousey wrote. “… I slapped him with my right hand. He still wouldn’t move. Then I grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face and tossed him aside on the kitchen floor.” Rousey goes on to write that the ex-boyfriend jumped in her car and, when he wouldn’t get out, she hauled him out by the neck of his sweatshirt and left him writhing on the sidewalk.

He continued to try to stop her from leaving while she was "beating the shit out of the guy".

I'd be wary about meeting people like you in private myself in case you ever lost your shit.

I guess this slimy threat narrative tactic isn't limited to feminists.

[–]Lethn 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

it's hardly a threat narrative, yes, he's being a total cunt and not leaving but if he's not actually being violent then unfortunately in this situation you do need to call the police so they can see what's going on and have him hauled away.

Then if necessary, get a restraining order against the twat, that's how you do it if you want to stay within the law. Frankly, I don't see why she couldn't have thrown him out without the beating and taken the keys if that's how he kept fucking around with her.

I grant that it must be an extremely stressful situation with somebody behaving like that but there are ways to deal with it without being a cunt yourself. You always exhaust all diplomatic and peaceful options before you get into a fight with someone, otherwise that's going to be used against you in court.

That's something a lot of people here and everywhere on the fucking internet don't seem to get when they try to act like tough guys. Ronda obviously won't have as big of a problem with this because she's a woman and the courts will always go easy on her but if any of you lot try this you'll end up in jail fast.

That's just the point I'm trying to make, I'm not necessarily siding with the guy, he was clearly a big cunt, but equally you don't pull shit like this unless you have very good lawyers as Ronda could clearly afford or know what you're doing properly.

Too many people on the internet act like fucking chavs and think they can just pick fights with people and throw punches without any consequences.

[–]blueoak9 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess this slimy threat narrative tactic isn't limited to feminists.

This isn't t threat narrative because the threat has to be bogus. The threat she poses is real. She's a thugass and she should go down.

[–]blueoak9 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes it's fucking okay.

This wasn't one of those times. He didn't hit her so she had no right to hit him. She wasn't defending herself, she was regulating on him because she thought she was entitled to. She's an abusive sack of shit and if you think this was a one off, you're just covering for her.

[–]Antrophis 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She self admitted it wasn't self defense. She said she was angry about nude photographs the guy had.

[–]paragonofcynicism 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

I know this is going to get me downvoted. But this guy was asking for it. He was barring her exit and while enduring her onslaught refused to allow her to leave. He follows her to her car and gets in it to try and prevent her from leaving.

You're not allowed to hold somebody hostage nor are you allowed to enter their vehicle without permission.

I'm not saying violence is a good thing, but this is clearly not an example of a girl beating a dude up for no reason. If someone were trying to prevent me from leaving their house, I'd probably resort to violence too.

[–]barensoul[S] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I dont think you should be down voted. He appears to be a dirtbag. The point is how differently violence is viewed men vs women. Im not saying she is a terrible person but if gender roles were swapped, it would have been a huge story about how the fighter should be banned, jailed, etc.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

but if gender roles were swapped, it would have been a huge story about how the fighter should be banned, jailed,

but if gender roles were swapped, it would have been a huge story about how Ray Rice should be banned, jailed,

Yes, that rodeo has already been to town...

[–]barensoul[S] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess my point was that while the ex escalated the incident which was wrong, what she did was wrong too. I think its ok to recognize that both people involved made mistakes. What I dont like is the lack of uproar because she was a female. The ray rice story was the first thing that came to my mind followed by Adrian peterson. Its pretty sad how one sided the media is on these type of issues.

[–]renzy77 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But this guy was asking for it. He was barring her exit and while enduring her onslaught refused to allow her to leave. He follows her to her car and gets in it to try and prevent her from leaving.

this is clearly not an example of a girl beating a dude up for no reason

Right...So if a woman blocked a doorway to prevent a man from leaving, I'm sure we'd get the same non-reaction from the media if the man proceeded to punch her, throw her, and knee her to the face. And if any body did try to call him out, we could just have you tell them she was "asking for it." (BTW feminists LOVE the phrase "she was asking for it", try saying it around them sometime)

I know I've lost count of the number of times where when the genders were reversed, feminists were the first to say: "Stop! First let's find out the reason he hit her!"

[–]paragonofcynicism 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying to me that, "feminists would say this" is futile. Just because that's what THEY say doesn't justify YOU saying it. If anything it goes to show how stupid that reason is if it's what they say.

[–]evry1DzervsCriticism 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was slapping him before he blocked the door.

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[–]paragonofcynicism -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well if you read it, she didn't start full tilt, she first slapped him, when that failed she escalated, and when he still refuses to move she literally throws him out of the way.

From that description, it doesn't sound like a shove would have been sufficient to get him to move. If you have to resort to throwing someone out of the way, pushing them probably isn't far enough.

[–]FreudJesusGod 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try that with a woman. Report back how it went. Make sure you keep a log of how long you were in jail and how everyone thought you were a piece of shit "for hitting a woman".

[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she first slapped him

Hard enough to make her hand hurt. So she started out pretty escalated.

[–]paragonofcynicism 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In response to someone unlawfully preventing her leaving the situation. If he wanted to avoid physical injury all he had to do was stop falsely imprisoning her in the room. By not ceasing his illegal action he essentially is consenting to being hit.

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[–]paragonofcynicism 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just because they abandon reason doesn't mean you shouldn't.

[–]boringcarpets 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"Asking for it" worst fucking excuse. Was Rhianna asking for it? And if so, does Chris Brown get a pass?

Rousey states that she kicked the shit out of him while all he did was block the way. That's not asking for it. If it is because she's mma "and you don't fuck with a fighter" then there's quite a few women who were "asking for it" and therefore by your standards the guys that beat them up just did what they had to

[–]paragonofcynicism -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

False Imprisonment of a person is against the law. It is a crime to prevent someone from leaving a room.

Do you think she would have kicked his ass if she was allowed to leave the room? No, because she wouldn't have been in the room.

Also everyone's acting like no words were exchanged. Just because there wasn't a transcript doesn't mean word were not spoken. She likely told him she'd kick his ass if he didn't move.

By not moving and enduring the assault knowing the only reason for it is because he continues to prevent her from leaving, he is LITERALLY asking for it.

Rihanna wasn't barring Chris Brown from leaving a room.

[–]boringcarpets 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

False imprisonment is overstating it. And the "she warned him" line won't fly because you can warn a woman all you want, but if you lay a hand that shit won't fly with the cops arresting you or the judge sentencing you.

You are a textbook case of willfully ignorant. She was the aggressor, and regardless of the the lead up she beat up her boyfriend, she was violent in a domestic context. So, if we're to have zero tolerance on that behaviour, that's what we do - she stands on a podium with Chris Brown and Ray Rice

And given the Ray Rice scenario, Rousey is an MMA fighter, not exactly a delicate flower, and recently a guy got a sentence that took into account his hands as "deadly weapons".

So take your undying Rhonda Rousey fan white knightery elsewhere, her shit does stink

[–]paragonofcynicism -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

False imprisonment is NOT overstating it. This guy clearly was not letting her leave. If it took throwing him to get him out of the way after slapping and punching wasn't enough to make him leave and after being thrown he continued to pursue her he's clearly not just some weak little flower getting wrongfully attacked.

I never said I condone her actions, but I certainly understand them and can see them not being unreasonable. You don't get to keep someone hostage and then complain when they do what they have to in order to stop being a hostage.

[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She likely told him she'd kick his ass if he didn't move.

Oh, so that makes it all right. She warned him fair and square, right? No. What she did was communicate a threat, which should be a separate charge.

[–]paragonofcynicism 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She communicated a threat to somebody already committing a crime against her. Preventing someone from leaving a room is a crime. All he has to do to prevent getting attacked is stop committing the crime.

Don't remove his agency from him just because he got beat up.

[–]2_Blue_Shoes 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She slapped him first, which was not justified, but you're right--after he blocked the door, she is cleared to use the necessary amount of force to remove him, and if he responds with force of his own, she can protect herself.

That's not what happened, though. Her assault was rather over the top, wouldn't you agree? I mean if she'd warned the dude to get out of her way, and he didn't, and then she hit him, fine, that's reasonable. However, repeated blows and a knee strike... I don't know, I think that's a bit much.

However, I also want to say that Ronda Rousey is a fucking hypocrite. She wanted to beat up Kim Kardashian because a sex vid she made got leaked, forget that Kim sued the company that released it and settled for millions, and it turns out that she did pretty much the same thing, except she beat the crap out of a guy to "prevent" her own nudes from getting released? Fuckin' Hell, what an idiot. It's not Kim Kardashian's fault that she got more famous, rich, well known and successful than Ronda Rousey.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My way of looking at these things is asking what would happen if both parties were men. So one man effectively holds another hostage, a man who he knows is well capable of fighting? I'm not feeling sorry for him when his hostage takes a swing at him. Therefore I don't feel sorry for him when his hostage was a woman.

It may not be a cut and dry "he hit first" but he was absolutely asking for it and has no sympathy from me. It's not like he was even hurt that badly from what I understand.

[–]paragonofcynicism 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, he's a heavy weight fighter, so she didn't really do all that much damage. And I fully agree with you.

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[–]saoran 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what Rousey did is arguably just self defense

facepalm

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, there has to be a "pattern" for her to get into any trouble.
Ha, jokes. Women never get in trouble for "Domestic Violence".

[–]victorymonk 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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