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UK: A man has been jailed for 6 years for attempted rape despite police not knowing who he is or finding his victim — who ran off. You couldn't make it up.

Consilio_et_Animis

August 15, 2015
31 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33933531
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Title UK: A man has been jailed for 6 years for attempted rape despite police not knowing who he is or finding his victim — who ran off. You couldn't make it up.
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Consilio_et_Animis

Upvotes 31
Comments 14
Date August 15, 2015 2:17 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3h1xys/uk_a_man_has_been_jailed_for_6_years_for/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/uk-a-man-has-been-jailed-for-6-years-for-attempted.973274
https://theredarchive.com/post/973274
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CharlieIndiaShitlord 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This! Seriously, where is the controversy? If the witnesses didn't get a good look at him, if he escaped, if he was picked up a day later... THEN, you have controversy.

This is simply an odd situation, and justice is being served.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Witness testimony" is notoriously unreliable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

How can anyone really know what was actually going on in this instance???

Perhaps the women had got in to bed with him, and then he had woken-up and discovered her stealing his wallet and chased her?

Perhaps he was trying to steal her handbag?

Was he really attempting to rape her on the street when all these witness were around?

Without the actual alleged victim herself, can we all be sure "beyond all reasonable doubt" that he is guilty of attempted rape?

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[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say that no one should be able to call witness. I just said that witness testimony is very unreliable.

And if you've got no alleged victim, and you don't even know the name of the accused, then you've not got much left apart from "unreliable" witnesses.

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[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is hard to imagine a woman being charged with attempted rape for 'struggling' with a man in the street

Yes. Exactly. Reddit sometimes crowd-sources the truth. I this is one of them.

[–]SideTraKd 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this a men's rights issue?

Poor effort, OP.

[–]Sasha_ 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm...dunno. It's an odd case to be sure, but there where a lot of witnesses and they caught him on the spot at the scene. I'm inclined to fill this under 'odd, but explicable'.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ibtimes

"Two passers-by heard a woman screaming for help as they were walking down Caledonian Road at around 2am.

They searched the area and found a woman lying on the ground with a partially dressed man on top of her, trying to rip off her clothes. He attempted to escape, but was caught by the witnesses and detained."

Sounds kinda rapey to me OP

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I hope I'm never on a jury with you!

Verdict: "sounds kinda rapey to me" = guilty of sexual assault beyond all reasonable doubt.

[–]Xemnas81 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh Christ is misandry operating in my country too now? I feel awful for it but I'm reading these stories thinking "well, I'll do what I can to help, but at least it's not in England yet"….

[–]andejoh -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Originally I was going to go with the majority of commenters, but there are some serious issues with the case.

  1. He's a French national (supposedly) who plead guilty to sexual assault. Problem is that the witnesses reported the woman wasn't hurt. Seems odd that a person could be both sexually assaulted and not hurt.

  2. That means he was initially incorrectly charged and / or doesn't have a good enough grasp of the language and / or had ineffective counsel. What lawyer would have their client plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit and couldn't be convicted of assuming the trial was fair.

  3. He has a possible defenses of she likes it rough, we were struggling over something else, etc. Those are not things the witnesses can speak to. The evidence would be hearsay at best.

Is he guilty? Probably. Guilty of what specifically and beyond a reasonable doubt is another matter altogether.

[–]geniice 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems odd that a person could be both sexually assaulted and not hurt.

Not if you understand how the law works. Assault does not require that you manage to injure the other person. In the case of sexual assault under UK law:

3Sexual assault

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally touches another person (B),

(b)the touching is sexual,

(c)B does not consent to the touching, and

(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/assault/section/3

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