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Justice for Zachary Anderson, a 19-year-old who had consensual sex with a 17-year-old...who turned out to be 14.

LASER_SHARKS

July 21, 2015
79 upvotes
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https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-zachery-anderson
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Title Justice for Zachary Anderson, a 19-year-old who had consensual sex with a 17-year-old...who turned out to be 14.
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LASER_SHARKS

Upvotes 79
Comments 24
Date July 21, 2015 12:16 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3e0f8v/justice_for_zachary_anderson_a_19yearold_who_had/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/justice-for-zachary-anderson-a-19-year-old-who-had.974973
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[–]Vires-acquirit 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Wait.. How did "Zach find himself convicted of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct charges" If HER parents agreed he did nothing wrong, and want the case dropped? How were charges pressed in the first place? Something doesn't add up.. Also, never plead guilty if you're not guilty. No jury would have convicted this kid for being strung along and lied to. This wasn't a Chris Hansen "Take a seat over there" situation.

[–]RubixCubeDonut 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The relevant concept to read up on is Strict Liability. It's a pretty horrible legal concept that ignores whether or not an event is actually harmful to society since that just gets in the way of the righteous mob's demand for blood.

[–]scdi 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does not ignore if the crime is harmful. It ignores the mental state of the person committing it, which is arguably worse because even if a crime was agreed to be harmful, but someone who didn't mean to do it at all still accidentally did it, they should not be treated as someone who did it.

[–]Vires-acquirit 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Complete insanity. What could possibly be the rationale for convicting someone of a crime they have no idea they are committing? She joined a dating site for 18+, she broke the TOS of the site, she lied to him about her age.

He goes to Jail, He's on the sex offender registry for 25 years. In what universe is any of this shit his fault?
According to these fucked up laws even if a guy cards these girls to try and mitigate this kind of bullshit, and they have high quality fakes, the guy is still fucked, none of that can be used as a defense. Total un-winnable batshit nonsense.

[–]Deansdale 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are crimes that the state must press charges on, including statutory rape.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

By "must" do you mean they are legally required to press charges, or do you mean that it's better for society if they do?

[–]Deansdale 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

legally required

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If HER parents agreed he did nothing wrong, and want the case dropped? How were charges pressed in the first place?

because the idea of a victim "pressing charges" is a Hollywood fiction. In reality a victim of a crime is a witness no different from any other in the eyes of the prosecution, it's the prosecutor who decides if charges will be pursued or not.

What can happen is a prosecution can be dropped due to uncooperative witnesses (victim), but that doesn't seem to be the case here. In fact the story that the girl and her family didnt' want him prosecuted is the part that doesn't add up. It would be nearly impossible for the charge to be prosecuted without the girl and her family cooperating with the prosecution.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is real life, not television. People don't get to decide whether or not they want to press charges once the police are involved and evidence is obtained. The district attorney makes that decision.

[–]Vires-acquirit 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here's another article with more heartbreaking details:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/was-justice-served-after-teen-s-encounter-with-girl/article_bede1df7-505d-5d39-b9d8-256719f553d9.html

Also what's totally fucked in my eyes is this glaring hypocrisy: "Marriage. It is a defense to a charge of consensual sexual activity with a person under the age of 16 (or a student age 16 or 17) that the defendant and the child are married. (Mich. Comp. Laws Ann. §§ 750.520d, 750.520e, 750.520l.)"

Really Michigan? So under 16 they're too young to consent to sex.. But marriage? Not a problem, age is not an issue.. Get that marriage certificate signed and it's worry free 8th grade fuck fest. Our justice system is so ridiculous it that I can't distinguish it from satire anymore.

[–]scdi 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true in many if not most states.

The reason for this is because the age of consent use to be much lower. 10 to 12. It was raised but people at the time didn't think an 14/18 year old relationship (or something similar) was wrong. But the religious right didn't want out of sex marriage, so they created a law where marriage (with parental approval) would be allowed but sex would not.

Dating a child was legal back then (you can't do anything sexual, which includes most kissing and any sexual talk). Technically it still is. But over the years the ability for a child to marry has moved from requiring parental permission to requiring parental and state permission, with the latter rarely approving.

It is basically a way of making sex outside of marriage illegal. (It also helps to remember these laws are from a time where even sex between adults, if outside of marriage, was frowned upon if not a small crime.)

[–]McFeely_Smackup 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a twist to this story that literally no media source I've seen has mentioned. That being that Zachary's defense is that he believed the girl to be 17...and then crossed state lines to have sex with her, which automatically invokes the federal 18 year age of consent.

So by his own "defense" he admits to comitting exactly the crime he was charged with, just under state law instead of federal.

That doesn't' make the charge any less ridiculous, but it's an additional depth to the story that the media appears to be ignoring in favor of a more sensational narrative.

I also have a difficult time believing the girl and her family were opposed to the prosecution. It would be nearly impossible to prosecute the kid without the girl cooperating pretty extensively.

[–]Koalachan 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

he can't use a computer or smartphone or live in a house with internet access.

On top of everything else, this kind of ruling is pretty barbaric. I mean, even Obama is pushing that internet should be in every house, pretty much a utility, like water and electricity. They might as well say he can't live in a house with electricity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also a lot of devices you might not consider a computer are.

Most cars could qualify, for one.

Calculators, tvs, stereos, fucking ebook readers...

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I seem to recall a court somewhere declaring that access to the Internet (which requires computers) has become so essential to our way of life that it is a human right.

[–]SilverWolf1998 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I find it fucking stupid that the state will press charges, when the one who would be considered a victim, and even her family state they do not want to press charges. Also, 5 years without a computer or access to the internet? As a member from r/pcmasterrace I would be fucking dead within a month at most.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He screwed up pleading guilty, you got to fight that shit to the death, a questionable case like that could make the jury support the accused

[–]Deansdale 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny thing is in most parts of the world having sex with a 14 yo is perfectly legal. Tough luck for him that he lives in a puritanical shithole.

[–]catfor 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My favorite part is where everyone ignored that they had sex on a playground. You know, where kids play. That's fucked up and she should go to jail too. Keep your genitalia away from where our children swing on fucking monkey bars you neanderthals

[+]jm2445 -13 points-12 points-11 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well he's partially at fault too for sleeping with a minor.

[–]soalone34 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's legal to sleep with 16 year olds in many states.

[–]robinson217 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well he's partially at fault too for sleeping with a minor.

Depending on the state, he would have been 100% fine being 19 and her 17. They are called "romeo and Juliette laws", and are meant to protect the high school sweethearts from trouble just because he had a birthday all of a sudden.

Let's say she was 14, almost 15, but claimed to have just turned 17. That could literally be a 24 or 25 month difference. It's not hard to make yourself appear 25 months older than you are so long as you have reached puberty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this confused me for a moment, I forgot not every state is like California's strict 18 law

[–]LASER_SHARKS 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course. I just felt like this was the place to post this.

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