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Another rapist Huffington Post refuses to call a rapist

desmay

April 28, 2015
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Title Another rapist Huffington Post refuses to call a rapist
Author

desmay

Upvotes 170
Comments 33
Date April 28, 2015 1:26 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/345g81/another_rapist_huffington_post_refuses_to_call_a/
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Comments

[–]vonthe 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I knew the comments on that story would be bad, but man oh man.

The first four:

"Yes we all know it`s wrong but thinking back to when I was 16 or 17 if a teacher who looked liked that wanted to have an affair with me. I would of been more than willing and No I would not have been traumitized. BEST MOMENTS OF MY HIGH SCHOOL YEARS!! :)"

"Much ado about nothing. When I was in school guys would have killed for a piece of that.'

"Those three "boys" deserve nothing nice for the rest of their lives. Why? Because they were given something nice and they couldn't keep it to themselves. I feel sorry for the HOT teacher."

"Sex ed is an important part of the curriculum. Sixteen and seventeen year old boys might be minors by legal definition but they are physically mature and on the hunt. Having a son who has a fling with a beautiful female teacher is preferable to a priest."

[–]chocoboat 37 points38 points39 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Remember everyone, if you're attractive, it's OK to rape people!

[–]bpetrie88 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're a man, that is

[–]azazelcrowley 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus, fuck. The comments. Ugh.

[–]8088XT8BIT 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Digital Commie_Leftist Rag ... Huffington Post. Support Depravity!

It is sad that these people are in an adult positions of trust and break that trust to molest teens / children. Male teachers have been getting long term sentences for the same crimes, while female teachers get a tap on the wrist. Thanks to their religion - Feminism. Soon they will water down the charges for sexual exploitation (sex offenses) and so on. This will help open the door for pedophilia becoming legal and so on. Once they water down the laws that protect the young, the big winners (over all) will be Perverts, Pedophiles and Sex Offenders .. Even the violent ones! The sign of the times is degeneracy. This Term-degeneracy—sums up all that is happening to the USA / The West. Depravity and more depravity.

[–]philosarapter 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

On one hand, she abused her position of power to manipulate her students into having sex with her.

On the other hand, I believe 16-17 is old enough to provide meaningful consent and it appears these boys have come on record to say they were involved and consented to the behavior. If they had come out against her and stated they were violated or hurt in someway, then I'd be more in favor of throwing the book at her. But 17 years old, I believe, is old enough to make your own decisions and it doesn't appear violence was used during the 'courtship' of the teacher and the students.

I don't necessarily believe the label 'rape' should be applied in this situation. It is, by law, 'statutory rape', but personally I think the word rape should be reserved for forcible violation of one's body. The word is thrown around far too much these days. That said, statutory rape laws need to be looked at again, there are far too many people being charged with heinous crimes for which there is no victim.

[–]AliasSigma 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But the problem is that if the genders were flipped you'd see rape every other word. The law is clear cut for a reason. If you're below x age, it's rape no matter what. You can't just say "yeah but I think they're able to decide." No, the law says the can't. Otherwise female students in that position have the same fuzziness applied to them or we admit men and women aren't equal and then all those pushes for equality from feminists are null.

[–]philosarapter 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the genders were flipped, you're probably right, they would throw the word 'rape' around and apply it to everything. But that doesn't make it right.

This is an example of a woman abusing her power to have sex with her students. It should certainly get her fired, but if the kids are 17 and say they chose repeatedly to be with her, I don't think its rape.

[–]Ayesuku 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand your belief. However, the law says it's rape. So beliefs are pretty irrelevant here. It's rape, whether you wish to use the word or not.

[–]philosarapter -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its statutory rape. Which is quite different from penetrative rape.

I think there is a very important distinction between the two. You are right, the law doesn't really distinguish, but I for one am not going to jump on board with rape-hysteria by conflating the two as being the same.

[–]eletheros 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't necessarily believe the label 'rape' should be applied in this situation.

In general, I'm resistant to the mass labeling of any 20ish year old with a 16 or 17 year old as rape, particularly here.

In this case however, and generally with such events in other states, there is a law on the books defining consent such that it cannot be given by a student to a teacher.

It is thus, legally rape.

It's also statutory rape, because the age of consent in Utah is 18 with a seven year romeo & juliet exclusion that doesn't qualify in this case. Statutory rape is not the same as rape, and both charges can be filed for the same event.

[–]totorox -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the word rape should be reserved for forcible violation of one's body

are you promoting child molestation or just being oblivious of what you're saying?

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I have to call BS on the OP.

Just as when a man is accused of rape, the burden is on the prosecutor. The burden is to prove a violation of the law. The Accused is innocent until proven guilty. She accepted a plea for sexual abuse, not sexual assault. The accusation of rape, sexual assault, is unproven and will not be proven.

She is convicted of sexual abuse, so she is a child molester. She was not convicted of sexual assault, so she IS NOT a rapist.

I want one set of rules for both men and women, and will defend the rule "innocent until proven guilty" regardless of the gender of the accused.

[–]Arby01 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She is convicted of sexual abuse, so she is a child molester.

We agree about the innocent until proven guilty part. However, do you think a guy would have been able to plea down the stat. rape to sexual abuse?

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant to this discussion. While a valid point in a debate about gender bias in courts, it is not valid in labeling criminals in media.

She was not convicted of sexual assault/rape. She is not a rapist. She was convicted of sexual abuse so she is a child molester. I don't support labeling men accused, but not convicted, of sexual assault rapists. I won't support labeling women accused, but not convicted, of sexual assault rapists.

[–]captainp42 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How can this possibly be

Irrelevant to this discussion ?

OP titled this thread as

Another rapist Huffington Post refuses to call a rapist

with the clear intent to show exactly this inequality.

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because HufPo didn't fail to call a rapist a rapist. They didn't call a child molester a rapist. This is a discussion about that label. Being convicted of sexual abuse means she is a child molester. Not being guilty of sexual assault she is not a rapist. (She was not convicted in a court of law and "Innocent until proven guilty") At least from my point of view this discussion is about the labels assigned by the media.

That other inequalities exist is irrefutable. Some are even very closely related to the topic on hand (like the sentencing gap). However the existence of the sentencing gap does not speak to the media using the correct words to describe the activities individual criminals are convicted of.

[–]captainp42 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then why is it called "Statutory RAPE"?

[–]NNYPhillipJFry2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Odd that there is no "by line". Often Andres Jauregui writes these teacher rape articles and he usually calls it rape, I wonder why some don't.

[–]DirtAndGrass 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How can this not be considered rape?

She was in a position of power, and they were minors! Who cares if they were/are hormone driven teenage boys that would've "enjoyed it"... there are laws and standards for a reason, you are scarring a developing mind and are likely creating the next generation of mentally and emotionally stunted men, who will likely serve a lifetime sentence for an arguably "tamer" crime

[+]Lugonn -17 points-16 points-15 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Because they weren't raped?

It's a wildly inappropriate thing to do, rife with potential for abuse. That's why you fire her, bar her from ever teaching again, and investigate to see if any abuse actually occurred. Calling it rape just because the kids were 17 is retarded.

And don't give me any of that ''hurrr if it were a man'' nonsense. We don't remember Rosa Parks because she went around slashing up all the seating in the front.

[–]thelandofdreams 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Either get rid of statutory rape laws, or punish her as a rapist.

You can't have it both ways, not if you want 'equality'.

[–]QuintusVS 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is my stance on it, personally I think this case is bullshit and those guys were more than able to consent, and sending her to prison is WAY too harsh, but I feel the same way with some cases where there were underage girls involved.

[–]Ayesuku 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She knew the law, and she broke it. It's that simple.

If you believe the law needs changed, that's fine, but that's a different conversion.

[–]QuintusVS -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with that, she should be punished, I just think she didn't deserve the punishment she got. Also I do think the law should be changed, but until then I think we should give equal sentences to men and women, ideally I'd like gender to be kept out of the courtroom for as long as possible actually.

[–]Ayesuku 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As you say, gender, class, race, etc should not have any effect on sentencing for crimes.Unfortunately, we're not there yet.

Hopefully the generation that feels this way so strongly now still feels this way once they're the ones in charge.

[–]QuintusVS -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, in my perfect world the judge wouldn't ever come into direct contact before making at least a semi-conclusive judgement.

[–]ToReykjavik 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll bite, what would you say if it was a male teacher offering sex to and seducing 16 year old girls?

[–]Lugonn -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a wildly inappropriate thing to do, rife with potential for abuse. That's why you fire him, bar him from ever teaching again, and investigate to see if any abuse actually occurred. Calling it rape just because the kids were 17 is retarded.

[–]ToReykjavik 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the law, you can't afford to have it different for every incident. Some boys might want to bang their teacher, some girls do, but its incredibly hard to differentiate and prove it in court. Which is why the one law fits all has all accounts as abuse. Either they're all rapists or every kid who fucked a teacher wanted to. Which would you prefer?

[+]supersandwich100 -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it's rediculous that people in highschool are deemed incapable of consenting to sex. WTF? When I was in 6th grade I knew what the risks were!

[–]remembz 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about the capability of consenting to sex but about equal treatment regardless of sex. A female teacher who have "consensual" sex with a minor should do the same time as a male teacher.

[+]higherprimate718 -7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

damn where was this crazy slut when I was in high school?

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