Truths About Game That Men Need To Know

j_arbuckle2012 · 2014-02-24T02:33:04+00:00

Pretty excellent. One gripe, game does help you punch above your weight but only if you are using it to compensate for a lack of something in the power tetrad of looks, money, status, and dominance (confidence can be faked, dominance generally can't). If you are weak in all four areas, then trying to game girls will be very hard indeed. You'll either have to lie through your teeth, which will form bad habits, or fuck very desperate/ugly women. Remember also that those four things are tiered and women prefer, especially for short term flings, them in the order of:

Dominance
Status
Looks
Money

It is also important to note that different women prefer different amounts of different things, except for dominance. All heterosexual, healthy women want dominant men. But as for money/status/looks? You can compensate for them with game. So really, it is good to know that you must attain high value in all four areas, but if you're in a place right now where you don't have lots of access to status/money/looks then you can indeed compensate with game so long as you are a dominant man.

TL;DR: Women want dominant men, so use game as a way of motivating her hamster to rationalize her attraction for you, the dominant man.

trplurker · 2014-02-24T20:03:56+00:00

Ok 99% of the above is a horrible understanding of attraction.

your looks, status, money, and confidence

Those are all just one thing, status.

Physical health is status. Material wealth is status, social status is well status. Confidence is status. Everything about you is projected status.

Attraction is primal, it existed before wealth, before gyms and diets, before clothing and before external status symbols. Attraction for males and females works completely differently due to our different sexual goals. For males it's almost entirely physical, we judge a women's sexual value based on her fertility which is indicated by her external appearance. Females do not judge men's sexual value this way, we don't bear children. Their judgement is far more complicated and based almost entirely around small social cues. They are looking for the best genetics for their children, and that's not just physical genetics. They want intelligence, confidence, guile and most importantly aptitude. Their children need to be capable of surviving on their own and successfully producing their own offspring, so fucking the biggest male regardless of intelligence or aptitude will just produce big children that make stupid survival decisions.

So to figure out the best sperm donor her subconscious will assess your value based on general physical health then on how much aptitude and intelligence you display. Since those last two are inner traits she relies on a highly evolved sense for subtle social clues on the quality of DNA the male might possess.

This applies to attraction because it means we need to target that aptitude detector. This is done by displaying confidence and drive because if you can project strongly that your the most amazing walking sperm bank on the planet, then she'll start to believe it. She'll then test your projected image, otherwise known as frame, to see if it's legitimately worth a shot at her ovaries or if your a reproduction disaster waiting to happen.

So how does this all tie into "game"? Game is just learning to communicate with her subconscious and make it accept your projected image. It's the small social clues you display that indicate you are confident, intelligent and capable. Game is always needed, it's just often misunderstood by people like the OP. Mystery Method =/= game. "Game" is selling yourself to a women's subconscious sex drive, nothing more.

PUA / scripts are training wheels for newbies. They are designed as basic templates for someone who's never been comfortable around women. Their purpose is to generate experience and some level of early success that builds confidence. Once the person is comfortable approaching and interacting in a social situation, they can discard the scripts and do their own thing as they no longer need them. Telling a green horn "you don't need PUA, just talk to girls and life weights" is about as useful as saying "just be yourself". Sounds great on paper but is practically useless as it lacks the mechanics involved to achieve basic competence.

But hey just slap some oil on your chest and lift more right.

DaddyMonster · 2014-02-24T12:43:26+00:00

I agree that game isn't everything, but all things being equal, game is the decider.

There are two aspects of this problem which you might be missing:

What traits an individual woman find the most attractive or valuable in you depends, to a large degree, on what they consciously or subconsciously want and/or need. This in turn depends on a lot of variables, such as her age, her monthly cycle, her own wealth and self-perceived status, environmental pressures, etc.
This implies that different women will be susceptible to different types of game.
Therefore, your success with women largely depends on what women you're targeting, and what type of game you're running; or to be more precise, what your intent is.

(I write "intent" because your intent has to be congruent with your game. You can't push the boyfriend angle if you want a one night stand, unless you're super high status. More on status in a bit.)

Having only a basic level of material wealth isn't necessarily bad if you adapt your game accordingly.

Example:

A woman who is looking for a provider will likely be less receptive to guys with what she regards as too little cash and loot.

The same woman, once she's bagged herself a provider, is unlikely to be open to replacing him with a man who's less materially wealthy.

She might be receptive to having a lover though, and that guy doesn't necessarily have to be loaded. If he can excite her and give her tingles to a larger extent than she values fidelity to her provider, she is likely to be open to an affair.

When I target women who've already got boyfriends, I play the lover angle. Hard. It doesn't matter then that I live in a tiny bachelor pad and that I'm relatively poor. What matters most is that I give them something that they're not getting at home; tingles and excitement.

TL;DR: You absolutely must calibrate your game according to your strengths and circumstances.

The dualistic nature of the female reproductive strategy implies that the alpha fux offers the woman value through his superior sperm, whereas the beta bux offers the woman value through, well, bux.

Women determine who is alpha (superior genes) through indirect indicators. Wealth is among those indicators but the game you run can decrease the relative importance of it. Status is also among those indicators, but remember that there are different kinds of status. A rich CEO has status, but so does a poor womanizing college student whom all the other girls want to fuck.

I'd like to call the former material status and the latter sexual status. One can have both though. Like George Clooney.

TL;DR: Which type of status that is most important depends on your intent and the type of women you're targeting.

With this said, I'm not saying having money is bad. Having money gives you more options, but if you attach too much importance to it, I contend that you subconsciously limit you game to a style where your wealth is more important than other aspects of you. This in turn limits your options.

TL;DR: Money is gives you more options if you handle your relation to it in a good way. However; if you let the money dictate what type of game you run, your options are going to become limited to those that depend on money.

whatsazipper · 2014-02-24T06:23:37+00:00

If girls want to fuck you for your money, you're going to have some problems and run the risk of it being transactional sex.

Money is, all things considered, a recent invention that has no bearing on primal attraction.

You should strive to maximize your bank account because it gives you the freedom to pursue your life in ways you want, but to think it's relevant for attraction misses the point. Yes, women will consider it for LTR but that's because they want a consistent higher standard of living - which has nothing to do with how aroused she gets.

Instead, they'll take what they get in this regard as an expected baseline.

InferiousX · 2014-02-24T06:34:26+00:00

Looks matter, status matters, money matters, game isn't everything.

I agree with this for the most part, except the money issue. I've had some of my most successful runs of women when I drove a 15 year old piece of shit car and barely had two nickles to rub together. Meanwhile, I had about a 2 1/2 year period where I had money to burn and in that entire span had sex with 2 girls that Id say were barely a 7.

This anecdotal evidence isn't meant to be all inclusive, but in my personal experience, women who were piqued by money right away tended to be of shitty quality anyhow. Where I found money comes into play is with either:

A:) Older women. They are more openly pragmatic about relationships and are very interested in the math.

B:) Any LTR after a while. No matter how alpha you are, at some point she's going to be trying to view you in the provider light. And if you aren't making at least respectable money, she'll be gone.

I think solid "game" can take a guy who's a five and push him up to a seven. But if you build all of your attributes up such as your attractiveness, build a social standing, etc. You can be a baseline 7 and then maybe game your way up to an 8 or 9. But what game isn't is some magical set of lines that you can use the next night to pull the hottest woman in the club away from her professional athlete boyfriend (all for the low price of $199.99, mind you!)

The most honest way I've heard "game" described is that all it really does is help you with women who are on the fence about you. They're already intrigued and maybe even a little interested, but you help push them that way. That and not fucking it up when a woman already likes you from the word go (did this numerous times in my teens and early 20s) There is not an opener or a "routine stack" in the universe that will make a woman who has zero interest in you change her mind. So you move onto the next one and there in lies the numbers game you mentioned.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-02-25T04:45:25+00:00

Bank account is only relevant to women in an LTR insofar as she considers you a beta provider. This is why "money" ranks LAST on the dominance/status/looks/money hierarchy. If I were to find myself with a 10 hours per week surplus in time, after satisfying my personal/household/work requirements, I'd spend those 10 hours per week improving my physical appearance before I spent those 10 hours per week trying to cram a few more dollars into my checking account.

le_king_falcon · 2014-02-24T15:41:48+00:00

Game is nothing more than a way to keep the hamster running your way.

Keep it occupied and she won't be able to rationalise the fact that she "deserves" a +3 on her SMV at all times.

Nitzi · 2014-02-27T06:14:26+00:00

"Game is used to seduce women who are already into you".

This. Absolutely.

I have stellar game - I tease, banter, etc probably in the top 10 percentile. And yet, every girl I've been with had checked me out before we hooked up - ie they were already into me physically.

Archwinger · 2014-02-24T16:55:22+00:00

The summary I throw around is that a woman evaluates you based on looks, status, wealth, and game (confidence falls here, since game covers attitude, behaviors, etc. -- game also includes social aptitude).

Every woman is going to weight these things differently. A 35-year-old, desperate-to-marry woman is going to favor wealth and status and be willing to compromise on looks. A 20-year-old college student is going to want a hot guy who can get her alcohol.

Every woman has minimum threshold requirements for each of these categories. For example, your looks - if you are so ugly you might as well be maimed, you're not getting anywhere with a woman, even if looks aren't that important to her overall. You have to at least meet her minimum standard of looks to be considered. Greater good looks beyond the minimum never hurts -- that's worth points -- but if you just barely meet the minimum looks threshold, you can compensate for any shortcomings here with other traits. If you fall below the threshold, no dice. Similar thresholds exist for other categories. Some women won't date unemployed guys, some women won't date a guy due to how he dresses, some women won't date a black guy. That's just how the world is.

I don't buy into PUA/seduction that heavily. The main reason it works is that it's a numbers game. Formerly shy losers who would sit at a corner table sipping drinks, staring creepily at a girl across the room all night before finally working up the courage to awkwardly ask for her number, then get shot down, then go home in shame and bitch about how women suck need PUA. With PUA under their belt, they're going out and approaching 50 women a night, and having some success. At that point, it's not the "game" that's getting them success. It's the fact that they're actually getting off of their ass and approaching women. Even without PUA tricks, if you approach hundreds of women, you're going to get somewhere with a few of them.

PUA is like a fad diet. You'll lose weight, but it's really not a substitute for a healthy lifestyle with proper nutrition and exercise. Actually becoming worth a shit by developing your looks, status, wealth, and your social aptitude is a lot harder than PUA/seduction tactics, but it's undeniably successful. Why trick women by imitating attractive men when you can actually be attractive?

sniperhiding · 2014-02-24T15:07:03+00:00

One thing that helps me internalize this concept, influenced from some Roissy or Rollo post (can't remember which), I think of attraction as sort of a board game mechanic, where you have 2 different "levels" or "ranks" in life. One is your sexual level, and one is your provider level. lol, hear me out. I don't take it seriously.

Looks (your face, weight, physique, height) add 1 to 5 points to your provider attractivness, but 1 to 20 points on your sexual level.

Money, or financial status adds only 0 to 1 point to your sexual level, but 0 to 10 points to your provider level.

Social status may add 0 to 3 points to provider level, but 0 to 50 to your sexual level.

Confidence & game, may or may not be tied to social status. If not, then it might add 0 to 20 points based on your level of confidence and "game".

Basically, the different attributes have a different effect on whether you are going the sexual route or the provider route.

BUT... this is not an algorithm where you take this seriously. You don't go through this to figure out your actual level. This is just a theory and concept I remind myself of when I see one butt-ass ugly dude can get a lot of hot chicks, whereas some hot guys fall flat. Gene Simmons is one ugly MF, a 1 in looks, but he gets the girls. Because he's rich? No. The dude added all 50 points due to his social status...and 20 due to his confidence and game.

So NO, I do not go through and get out a score card and calculate each guy, wondering how he got that girl.

It's just a quick "that girl wants his dick...but he's broke as hell....BUT he probably has a HIGH level of confidence/game, he has good looks, and probably some social status."

or

"oh, he's real beta and is a pussy whipped bitch, but has a hot wife... probably because of his $300k job, but she's probably not sexually attracted to him anyway, and that kid of his is probably not REALLY his. Dead bedroom.".

And besides, I just threw these numbers down real quick without putting a lot of thought to it. So the numbers may be way off.

This reminds me that....

Looks alone might be helpful, but if I am low on the social status and low on game and confidence, looks alone won't do much. Seek to be the alpha in groups, and learn game.
Money only attracts women for provider situations
Confidence without looks won't get you as far as the PUA industry tells you. LIFT WEIGHTS!

6TLaRm4g · 2014-02-24T08:37:03+00:00

How to show that you have money? Does that mean you should spend much on everything? Because isn't it poor people trait?

Nitzi · 2014-02-24T15:35:44+00:00

relevant: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2014/02/16/the-fundemental-problem-with-pua-or-seduction-community/

"looks don't matter" has been said in the PUA community very often. Who posts that?

people that want a broader target audience (and the target audience are loosers)
ugly PUAs because they need to believe that
ugly PUAs with success because they believe that
idiots

I know a fat ugly small guy with more bitches than anyone else. He has a very good social standing (DJ, social circle). And great game.

If you apply game to males and get a good social circle and self improvement (a good hobby like making music) you can increase your chances. But like in the article above, the chance for SNL are low.

The only thing you can't control is looks. Wrong, completely wrong. Hair and eyebrows are the most important things for looks regarding face. Getting an athletically body isn't that hard also. The only thing you are stuck with is height.

Looks: Fitting is king. Get fitting clothes. Get a fitting hair cut. Maybe good glasses too. Then you can look much better even if you look ugly.

Most important things for looks = Clothes > Hair > Height > Face (Smile) > muscularity

"looks don't matter" should actually mean "looks are not that important", a good reputation, status, dominance and some more are more important than looks. To be successful you must lower weaknesses and improve strengths. So lower your ugliness, improve your social standing ...

An important part of game is DHV. Get high value and display it, don't fake it. Even if you are ugly you can have a better social standing than she does. A man is attractive in context. Some say looks are 20% of the attraction.

I think it is more like a formula:

Core*game=Notch

Core = social standing + looks

Game = Behavior = Inner game + Outer Game

For example: Great looks and social standing = 10 Bad game, not confident, introvert... = 0

10*0 = no notch

50 is the threshold. 50-100 decide your odds.

Game as I see it is more than just seduction.

Seduction is solely about manipulating women's emotions by behaving in ways that create attraction in her.

Game tackles inner and outer game.

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