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skepticallytruthful · 2022-06-29T13:28:52+00:00

Crosspost "Welcome to the club." from /r/memes:Posted by MavDrake | 29 June 2022 |...

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June 29, 2022

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Title	Finally
Author	skepticallytruthful
Upvotes	283
Comments	81
Date	June 29, 2022 1:28 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/vnfut6/finally/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/finally.1122078 https://theredarchive.com/post/1122078

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It's very feminist of you to insist other people "don't know you"

Not sure what that has to so with being feminist, most people (regardless of their political leanings) don't like strangers making assumptions about their character.

I literally said I wouldn't have an issue with women being drafted, and your knee-jerk reaction was to be snarky and essentially tell me I'm full of shit.

Why?

and yet you assume that others are ignorant.

It wasn't to be snide, some people genuinely aren't aware that women have served.

I've heard multiple people say women have never served, meanwhile I have multiple family members who have, and even my grandmother served in WW2.

History is my thing, go read my post history, even a little you hypocritical tart.

How am I hypocritical?

I oppose the draft. But if a draft is enacted, I have no qualms with it including women.

Nice ad-hom though.

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Put women in the draft. Let's have some equality.

I agree. I said that in my original comment, and people still felt the need to argue with me. Lol

Look up the white feather society.

I know what the white feather society is.

They refused to take on responsibility.

Who's "they"?

Do you mean women? Feminists?

On August 30, 1914 in the city of Folkstone, Admiral Fitzgerald gave 30 women the duty of handing out white feathers to men who were not in uniform.

30 women... over 100 years ago. So again, I'm not sure why that's something women in general are to blame for.

Women should fight the next 3 wars exclusively.

Why?

The last draft was enacted in 1973, with the date of the last drawing for the lottery being on March 12, 1975. The men effected by that draft would be in their 70s by now.

Eligible men alive today in the US have never been drafted. (Luckily)

Show us your strength.

Are you referring to physical strength?

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I'm antifeminist and against this unless women are in noncombat roles. Not only because of how women are currently treated in the military (rapes/violence) but also because most women can't actually pass military standards. Most average man after bootcamp are more capable physically than women who have been in the military for years. They shouldn't need to lower the standards for women. If you can't get in the military because you can't do enough pull ups or a fast enough mile then you're a liability. There's emotional, mental, and physical differences between men and women. And don't forget periods which not only reduce a womans strength but they cloud judgement. These differences make women unsuited for combat and authoritive positions. Women don't belong in the military at all imo (unless like a nurse but even then).

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“It appears that the DOD has serious problems with male-on-male sexual assaults that men are not reporting and the Pentagon doesn’t want to talk about,” Elaine Donnelly, who heads the Center for Military Readiness. She noted that only 2 percent of assailants are women."

It's male on male crime and it mostly occurs on base. That doesn't mean it's not a serious problem that should be addressed. Abuse is abuse and male victims should be believed, helped, and given justice. There's more men than women in the military. And a majority of these aren't rape (requires penetration) they're sexual assault. Which is common in hazing and establishing dominance.

Btw you removed where you said women civilians are the main perpetrators. That's what I wanted sources on. I never claimed men don't get raped it's just not done by civilian women 99% of the time.

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I never claimed men don't get raped it's just not done by civilian women 99% of the time.

Well no, you implied that rape is only bad when it happens to women. You used it as part of your justification for not including women in the draft.

I thought I remembered a study about female contractors coercing male soldiers into sex, but I couldn't find it so I tried to correct my statement before it was seen but you were already replying to it apparently. I'm not sure if I was just remembering incorrectly or the study got memory holed by the "scientific" community.

And a majority of these aren't rape (requires penetration) they're sexual assault. Which is common in hazing and establishing dominance.

It may be an attempt to dominate, it's not an establishment of dominance though. It's also not a part of hazing. It's just shit heads being shit heads.

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Men on women rape is more common even your source said that. And while you may have inferred that I 100% believe men being raped is bad. Just because it's more likely to happen to women and thus preventative measures should be put in place doesn't mean other measures shouldn't there to protect men. The military is a dangerous place for men but women face more risks not only in combat but also on base. Women getting assaulted can lead to pregnancy. And yes before you say something if a man is coerced into sex or if a woman purposely sabotaged her birth control- like by lying about the pill or plan b- he shouldn't be financially responsible for the child/termination of legal paternity. I'm all for mens rights. I just don't think men and women are the same and shouldn't have the same responsibilities. I think women should be respected but there's no such thing as equality (equal in value/equivalency sure). Men enabling this (which is extreme feminism) isn't going to help. I'm against this wave of feminism and "equality". So laws like this which promote "equality" are bs :)

It's possible that study exist- I mean women have been known to coerce sex in refuge camps and other "humanitarian causes". It's just not common. Which doesn't mean the victims aren't victims. A main problem with men being raped is people not taking them seriously or thinking that they wanted it. It's hard to prevent something that isn't talked about. Hopefully because of Terry Crews testimony that changes.

It's unfortunately a part of hazing culture. Hazing culture involves mental and physical abuse too. This behavior is common in college and gangs (it's usually young adults who do it while others/older adults turn a blind eye). Unwanted touch/sexual assault is different than full on rape. Straight men can sexually assault men but usually for penetration the assailant is usually hetroflexible, bi, or gay. It makes it harder to get support as a straight man assaulted by a straight man. Same with women on women. Abuse/sexual assault/rape in general is about power, control, and dominance/forced submission.

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So, starting with the easy one.

No reason to assume people "protesting" on Reddit aren't doing it elsewhere.

But to the more difficult part. War is indeed costly, but when you have an overabundance of "manpower", it's not so costly to send them off to die by the hundreds and thousands. We're already quickly approaching a reality where the people in control of things are seeing and treating us as commodities. Resources to be bought and sold and and cultivated, poorly. A very low key, boring dystopia unfolding.

Look at Russia right now. Most of their men have been forced to fight. Conscripted. Of course they won't call it that but that's what it is. Big ass fire started. All the men who fought fires were off being killed in Ukraine.

It's extremely clear that the US government, people in power, whatever label you wanna put on the spiders web, don't care about the quality of life of people like us. They'd have no issue sending most of the workforce off to die for something stupid and they would be insulated from the worst of the after effects because they have lots and lots of money to fix their problems.

And you're right! Kids and elders would be shit at managing things but the kids -would- be very easy to shape and influence to make them how you want them and the elderly are very easy to silence. So again. Not a net loss for the people in control. Shit will be bad for average people who just want to live life, the people in power will be totally safe and have plenty of time to plan how to manipulate the exhausted, divided masses once things are a bit more stable again.

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So you think men should just FORCE women to have abortions? Lmao, u r sick. How is someome controlling your body equality? Equality would be if men would be able to back up in the same time period women can. Abortion doesnt always work. You cant always afford one. Sometimes the pregnancy is too advanced to do something. It would only be logical amd fair if borth parties could give up in the same time period. Said you wanted to play daddy and fucked without a condom? The poor woman trusted you and now shes 6 months pregant? Pay up. You already decided to have the child, its both of the parents issue now. Would you rather have you child abused in the orphanage than pay once a month? Egoistic selfish little shit. We are talking about a living breathing himan being, that walks, plays and is constient they are alive. You think your child is less worth than a few hundred bucks a month? Its not a cat, it is a human. And fyi, if you do give your kid to adoption, you cant make the father pay child support. You cant even put the child up for adoption if both parents dont consent, are you ballistick? How tf do u think this works? And this isnt about women, this is about kids, you fucking moron. The kid suffers, not the woman.

And you dont know shit about feminism. If i asked you to name 3 branches and what they stand for, you wouldnt know without looking it up.

Dont want to be a wallet? Dont have sex.

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