https://www.reddit.com/r/dating_advice/comments/jyjocw/any_other_average_guys_basically_just_give_up_on/

In the post linked above, it was a guy admitting that even after trying self-improvement, approaches, increasing his attractiveness and so on, for 10 years mind you, he still hasnt had any luck with women and has given up. the comments are full of other guys basically agreeing with him and saying the same thing, along with other comments about potiential reasons why guys struggle so much or how modern dating is impossible/not worth it for men who arent above average. This is just one example of guys giving up/really struggling with dating that MGTOW and redpill members like to fearmonger about, but the thing is that im seeing stuff like this more and more often. I thought some of you guys could figure out whats going on here. (keep in mind this is just one example of something like this ive seen. there are plenty of other things ive seen around the internet like this of men having little to no luck in dating no matter what they do.)