Why history always repeat itself? It's because of White Knights.

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No they are not, women and society are the problem. This quote is true, but is misused.

Hard times create strong men because society trains and empowers them properly.

Strong men then create good times to please women and society.

During good times, women and society no longer need strong men and actually find them as a very costly thing to raise. So they depower men and raise them to be weak.

So good times create weak men.

Now, these weak men are still upkeeping and defending society just fine. But once they catch onto to how they are getting ripped off, these weak men then refuse to upkeep society. Which results in hard times again and people needing strong men again.

It is why society hates on men so much, yet refuses to let women suffer from any criticism. Society just fails men and gives them nothing for being useful. So the only men left being strong are cucks.

I am sick of people misusing this quote to make it look like men are the problem when they are just becoming what women and society raise them to be.

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Aka it is always the man's fault.

Who raised the cucks and beta males you hate and want to deflect responsibility too? Empowered femist women and father's who didn't have the power to raise there children (because of tradcuck ideology turning men into losers).

Wtf did you expect would happen? Men to become masters of masculinity when it took men collectively thousands upon thousands of years to figure this shit out? Like how Rey mastered the force after swinging her lightsaber around a few times.

You are not entitled to good men hypocrite. If you want good men so bad, put women back where they belong yourself or keep on crying into nothingness about how men have become weak and have become pathetic (because they are not slaving away for nothing for your sake).

The hypocritical crying for the good old days didn't save Rome (both times), Sparta, Greece or any other culture that ever existed. No matter how good the tradcucks were at crying and blaming men, it did nothing...ziltch, nada.

Either you hold women fully responsibile, teach men yourself, apologize to them and empower them or watch society die while crying like an idiot.

Because men will not become "strong" when they get nothing for being strong or are even given the opportunity to be strong. They will just become more insecure, weak and pathetic because nobody will even let them man up and end up ever more dependent due to society growing increasingly apathetic towards them.

You can deflect responsibility onto men all you want, but the results and consequences of the bullshit is the same.

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No they are not, women and society are the problem.

Society was run by men before they handed that power to women. The reasoning for this is more than a simple thirst, but lies in economics, but make no mistake, the thirst was a powerful incentive as well. Happy wife happy barf life etc.

Hard times create strong men because society trains and empowers them properly.

Hard times do NOT create strong men. Society does NOT create strong men. Rather, the weak men lose the survival game. The hard men, the strong men are all that is left. They survive because they depend on themselves, not on 'society - which has broken down'.

Strong men then create good times to please women and society.

They don't create good times FOR women or society, but rather a society comes about from a working community. Ours here for example. Women come along for the ride, because the hard times are still within their memory, and they'd rather put up with "muh husband's oppression", rather than go back to starving and associated jungle violence.

During good times, women and society no longer need strong men and actually find them as a very costly thing to raise. So they depower men and raise them to be weak.

So good times create weak men.

Agreed

Now, these weak men are still upkeeping and defending society just fine. But once they catch onto to how they are getting ripped off, these weak men then refuse to upkeep society. Which results in hard times again and people needing strong men again.

You think the current state of society is 'just fine' upkeep? I think not. Many weak men never wake up. They will never transition to strong. Understand that when we say 'hard times' we are not talking about times where 'people can choose and need strong men'. Hard times are where there is NO choice for anyone. Those who survive, are simply the fittest, and therefore the strongest. Because everyone else is dead.

It is why society hates on men so much, yet refuses to let women suffer from any criticism. Society just fails men and gives them nothing for being useful. So the only men left being strong are cucks.

Society is a reflection of the current thinking of the policy makers. Whether those are individuals or big corporations or the orange one. 'Society' is a straw man for current evils. You cannot change society. You change people, which changes society. That is and will always be the way of things. Society is that person in the mirror, and the only way to change the person in the mirror is to change yourself.

I am sick of people misusing this quote to make it look like men are the problem when they are just becoming what women and society raise them to be.

Any man that 'lets' women and society mould them, and doesn't take person responsibility to break free will always be a problem. You cannot follow and be a leader. That is what strong men are. Leaders of themselves, first, foremost and forever.

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Society was run by men before they handed that power to women. The reasoning for this is more than a simple thirst, but lies in economics, but make no mistake, the thirst was a powerful incentive as well. Happy wife happy barf life etc.

That was over a hundred years ago (when first wave feminism started). None of the men currently alive caused any of this bullshit.

Hard times do NOT create strong men. Society does NOT create strong men. Rather, the weak men lose the survival game. The hard men, the strong men are all that is left. They survive because they depend on themselves, not on 'society - which has broken down'.

This is bullshit. Strong men are made, not born. We have the same genes as our ancestors had (actually, we are stronger, taller, smarter then our ancestors) and can be just as strong if property cultivated (stronger really). Hence why the quote above say "hard times crrate strong men," not hard times KILL off weak men."

You think the current state of society is 'just fine' upkeep? I think not. Many weak men never wake up. They will never transition to strong. Understand that when we say 'hard times' we are not talking about times where 'people can choose and need strong men'. Hard times are where there is NO choice for anyone. Those who survive, are simply the fittest, and therefore the strongest. Because everyone else is dead.

Yes and no.

As Alexander Tytler put it, "bondage to spiritual entlitenment to courage to liberty to abundance to selfishness to apathy to dependency back to bondage.

During hard times, we need strong men so we raise and empower men to be strong. But during good times, strong men are threatening so we raise and depower men to be weak instead.

All of our modern problems stems from apathy and selfishness. We do not give a fuck about men, so they do not give a fuck about upkeeping society or being strong as there is no incentive to do so.

And men are animals that are designed to be stubborn and egotistical. After a certain age, it becomes nearly impossible for the individuals personality, values and beliefs to change unless he suffers some tramatic experience (say divorce).

So it isn't that they are born weak, but raised to be weak for the sake of making other people rich.

Society is a reflection of the current thinking of the policy makers. Whether those are individuals or big corporations or the orange one. 'Society' is a straw man for current evils. You cannot change society. You change people, which changes society. That is and will always be the way of things. Society is that person in the mirror, and the only way to change the person in the mirror is to change yourself.

People cannot change unless they suffer a tramatic experience. We can refine who we are, but never actually change.

And humans are a interpersonal species, with people ultimately becoming what others want him/her to be.

We also tend to be a seflish and anti-responsibility species, so we blame Individuals for what we make them to be in order to avoid responsibility and give ourselves an advantage.

And individual humans do not make much of an impact on anything (even alpha males). We spend 90% of our lives are spent reacting to the world, with only the remaining 10% being about our actions.

Any man that 'lets' women and society mould them, and doesn't take person responsibility to break free will always be a problem. You cannot follow and be a leader. That is what strong men are. Leaders of themselves, first, foremost and forever.

Every man (and every other living thing) is molded by the world, society and women in which he lives in. To think otherwise is foolish

We are not gods, we are all WEAK animals that are slaves to our biological instincts. If you think otherwise, try starving yourself for a month (only ear when you cannot take it anymore) and see how you act towards the end of the month.

In matter of fact, it is something our male ancestors often did to help teach themselves humbleness and discipline. To understand our limitations and reach our full potential.

Also, strength doesn't even matter much in the end. The weak defeat the strong all the time.

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That was over a hundred years ago (when first wave feminism started). None of the men currently alive caused any of this bullshit.

The meme you are looking at, is looking at the cycle of history. It is not looking at the 'last 100 years', or even today's decades of generational mind/thigh gaps.

This is bullshit. Strong men are made, not born. We have the same genes as our ancestors had (actually, we are stronger, taller, smarter then our ancestors) and can be just as strong if property cultivated (stronger really). Hence why the quote above say "hard times crrate strong men," not hard times KILL off weak men."

I never said strong men are 'born'. I said, that the men who survive are 'strong'. The weak men, are weak, because they did NOT survive. No one is talking about genes, or height or muscle mass here. Unless you really think every single man around you who whine's and complains, will magically red pill himself, when the ePope announces that "the hard times are upon us - A-MEN!"

During hard times, we need strong men so we raise and empower men to be strong. But during good times, strong men are threatening so we raise and depower men to be weak instead.

I disagree. During hard times, there is no 'raising of men'. The people that were so dependent on 'society' will only devolve to selfishness and further apathy. I doubt these same people will be lining up to 'raise up' Timmy Weakman to the position of John Strongman.

All of our modern problems stems from apathy and selfishness. We do not give a fuck about men, so they do not give a fuck about upkeeping society or being strong as there is no incentive to do so.

For all the hyperbole here about AWALT and women, if you want to go down this road, then we should all be thinking of each other as living creatures first and human beings second. Not in terms of male and female genitalia. Outside that, you have hit the nail on the head for why we GOOW. No reward and only risk, is meaningless to any creature. Two legged or otherwise.

And men are animals that are designed to be stubborn and egotistical. After a certain age, it becomes nearly impossible for the individuals personality, values and beliefs to change unless he suffers some tramatic experience (say divorce).

This is true of any creature. Pain, whether physical or emotional, is used as a powerful conditioner to ensure that the creature avoids such behavior in the future. It is simply nature, but as humans we like to titillate ourselves by edging pain in the name of pleasure. And pain can also come from being ostracized in society. As a social animal not conforming to society also carries pain. You choose your poison, but poison it is.

So it isn't that they are born weak, but raised to be weak for the sake of making other people rich.

Again I don't see where you are getting this 'born strong' narrative. True strength, much like wisdom, must be tested and tempered. Once again this means, that any creature (man or woman gasp!), weak/strong/old/young/tall/short/rich/poor that survives, IS strong (at least as far as the point the meme and the quote is making). Survival of the fittest. If you survive, you ARE the fittest (strongest), because there is no one else.

People cannot change unless they suffer a tramatic experience. We can refine who we are, but never actually change.

Anecdotal evidence is enough to tell me that this isn't true. People definitely change. How much and how far is dictated by the events and experiences of their lives.

And humans are a interpersonal species, with people ultimately becoming what others want him/her to be.

When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares into you. As an interpersonal species, who changes whom? If you are strong enough in your convictions, you will sway others to your point of view. If you are not, you will forever float on the winds of change, trading master for master.

We also tend to be a seflish and anti-responsibility species, so we blame Individuals for what we make them to be in order to avoid responsibility and give ourselves an advantage.

Every creature that gets a free lunch will take it. Don't think it is unique to humans.

And individual humans do not make much of an impact on anything (even alpha males). We spend 90% of our lives are spent reacting to the world, with only the remaining 10% being about our actions.

Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead only try to realise the Truth... There is no spoon... Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself

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Title	Why history always repeat itself? It's because of White Knights.
Author	Adamjensen2030
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Date	June 19, 2019 2:26 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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