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[–]whinemoreplease 13 points13 points13 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She meets your standards or she doesn't. If she doesn't, you'll find someone who will. That should be your mindset. You should always be improving yourself and your surroundings.
So basically, more dread. Pretty sure, she complains because she feels your complacency. Somehow she feels that not meeting your expectations should be acceptable behavior. Think about the implications of that for a second? It's not that she's trying to persuade you to consider her opinion, it's that your wants should be less important than hers. From what you've posted, she's making statements about you instead of making statements about her.
[–]SWW_Alt_Acct2 points 10 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment. I have trained her that I will accept crumbs. That is no longer acceptable to me. I'm trying to show her this through my actions, although I still struggle with this.
[–]whinemoreplease1 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Start implementing and taking care of your own shit. Stop worrying about her. Do what needs to be done for your satisfaction and give her a time limit (to yourself in your head -- usually 1 month per year of marriage). But yeah, more dread. She eventually notices, reacts, or you kick her to the curb nbd.
[–]SWW_Alt_Acct 3 points3 points3 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I suck at dread. Truth is I am just starting to get a life outside of wife and kids.
[–]bogeyd6 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like how you came clean. You would be surprised how much she respects and shit-tests (foreplay) you when you do this. Go out one night, even if just to empty parking lot to have a good read. Dressed to impress and don't come home till after 11pm.
[–]itsgavinc 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"Of course it's never enough, I'm buying a donkey and bringing over a stripper midget with a blowtorch next week. Should be awesome."
[–]SWW_Alt_Acct 7 points7 points7 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol. This is agree and amplify right?
[–]FearDearg2015 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know that "LOL" isn't all is literally cracked up to be but, if you compare how you felt with what he wrote with how you felt when you wrote this :
I kinda laughed and ignored her, but it kind of pissed me off.
You'll be doing well. "kinda laughed" vs "LOL", and then there is the "pissed off" bit. It's OK to be pissed off, but recognise that this "pissed off" feeling is a demonstration of frame control by an expert at it. For now, it's her frame we are talking about, but look how effortlessly she is able to rattle you and draw you into her frame. When you get your game nailed, you'll be drawing her into your frame. The big difference is that your frame is one of safety, security, strong leadership, positive outcomes and above all, fun and happiness. Letting her draw you into her frame is literally abusing her. When you are angry, you are no fun, and that mood spreads. When you nail frame control, you'll be generally a fun dude, and little things won't piss you off so much.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course it is. Why would he need the blowtorch? The midget and donkey will keep them busy enough as it is.
[–]itsgavinc 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I agreed and then amplified her comment to crazy proportions.
[–]truchisoft 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You should read more sidebar, of course this is A&A
[–]BluepillProfessor 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is the kind of basic question we would like to see on AskMRP.
The answer to your question is Agree and Amplify or Amused Mastery.
Agree and Amplify:
"Damn right I can never get enough of you. Come on over here and we can talk about the first thing that pops up."
Amused Mastery
"Ohhhh sweety, don't be afraid that you can't handle me. I can do most of the work until you are wet enough."
However, STFU with an amused grin is still the best answer in most cases.
[–]RPcoyote 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah my wife said that I treat her like a piece of meat. I later gave her a foot massage and said "that's how I season my meat, make sure it's going to be well done" or something like that. Meanwhile we're having sex 5x / week and she now often initiates.
Ignore what she says, give comfort every now and then, lead and watch what she does.
[–]cholomite 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not as much what you say but how you say it. As long as she can tell from your body language that you are on your shit and don't give a fuck about what she thinks, you're doing it right. Use the A&A examples here or make up your own. Just keep your shit eating grin together and get ready to pass the shit test she gives you an hour later. I would have just said "YOLO" and grabbed her ass.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"You always want more sex.."
This is a dog whistle. Betas hear it and respond with their feminine conditioning:
"I'm sorry. I'm bothering you, we don't have to do it tonight"
Chad doesn't hear the whistle. He knows women say stupid shit all the time, in one ear out the other.
[–]Rasalom72 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You can always use it as an excuse to lay down some dread. The reply to the "it's never enough for you" could be... "I can always find someone who can keep up..."
but doing that almost invites another shit test. But honestly, you should flip this around and ask her "So what should be enough?" just to hear what the hamster tells her. Funny things come from those questions...
[–]rocknrollchuck 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No, don't ask questions like that. Period. This puts you squarely in her frame. Just tell her "Hey, I'm a hard guy to please but you're off to a good start. Keep up the good work!" Then go back to what you were doing, and 5 minutes later tell her you want a blowjob. Make it clear that she's not going to dictate the terms to you. If she refuses, leave the house for a couple hours and come home with a big smile on your face. Hamster time!
[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
While I agree with you about never asking questions... I find it useful and funny at the same time when you catch your SO off guard and get a glimpse into how the hamster works.
Last time I did this to my wife, she actually didn't have an answer... it was a riot to see... Mileage may vary.
[–]alphabeta49 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree, and it depends on your frame. If you can truly be the cat playing with the mouse, then its incredibly entertaining to humor her by pretending to take her seriously, then make fun of her answer later.
Her: "Its never enough for you."
You: "So what should be enough?"
Her: "Not sex all the time, sometimes I like to just cuddle."
Then later, as she's getting aroused and into sex:
You, sarcastically: "Oh wait, is this one of the times you want to cuddle? Because it seems like you want more..."
Her, embarrassed: "..."
You: shit eating grin, and go to town
This has worked for me in the past. Take her seriously but in complete mastery, like a king hearing from a peasant. Then poke fun at her later.
[–]Rasalom72 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly. So much fun.. and the wife fucking LOVES it... .you get so much play from doing that to them...
[–]SWW_Alt_Acct 1 points1 points1 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I wanted to flip it on her. She is very skilled at verbal judo and I know she would figure out a way to make me feel bad.
I think a more light hearted response would work. A&A or STFU.
[–]Rasalom72 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
First thing, she can't make you feel bad... you make you feel bad. And if you are weak in flipping it, just like lifting, you work on it, you don't avoid it.
Oh, my back hurts after I do a row.... do more rows and your back won't hurt.
[–]SWW_Alt_Acct 2 points2 points2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fair enough. I definitely agree that she can't make me feel anything. It is on me how I react. Still have a long way to go unplugging.
[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup... get a handle on your feelings before you even start thinking/ worrying about hers. Become the OAK. Once you get into a space mentally where her shit doesn't bother you (tears, threats, sex, etc) then you can start to consider her feelings.
[–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know she would figure out a way to make me feel bad.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
Only you can make yourself feel bad and only YOU can give the power to another to make you feel bad. So you feeling bad can never be the fault of another.
[–]VasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell her to be worried when you STOP wanting to have sex with her....
Hamster Nuke-age in 3....2....1....
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