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Condoms, vasectomies, the pull out method...Men should have the right to more birth control options. Donate to make vasalgel a reality.

NewChristianThrwwy

October 22, 2016

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Title	Condoms, vasectomies, the pull out method...Men should have the right to more birth control options. Donate to make vasalgel a reality.
Author	NewChristianThrwwy
Upvotes	89
Comments	44
Date	October 22, 2016 2:50 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/58r79d/condoms_vasectomies_the_pull_out_methodmen_should/
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[–]Pinuspalustris 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

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I know of no specific mens organisations with the funds capable of funding this, and no groups capable of funding this - nor current leftist feminist government - will fund something women are so vehemently against, and overwhelmingly women do not want men controlling their own reproduction. Current government, large organisations, and women want only women to control all reproduction. Even when all the testing is done, I do not believe that a leftist feminist government FDA will approve this to go to market. Perhaps if Donald Trump is elected President that may change.

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Go read the 10 Planks of Communism, then compare it to the US government.

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[–]SporkTornado 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ObamaCare requires insurers to covers every single form of female birth control, except Abortion. Abortion is the only type of female birth control that obama care is not required to cover. or to quote directly from the obamacare website.

What Birth Control Is Covered?

According to HealthCare.Gov Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods prescribed by a woman’s doctor are covered. This generally includes:

-Barrier methods (used during intercourse), like diaphragms and sponges

-Hormonal methods, like birth control pills and vaginal rings

-Implanted devices, like intrauterine devices (IUDs)

-Emergency contraception, like Plan B® and ella®

-Sterilization procedures

-Patient education and counseling

Plans aren’t required to cover:

-Drugs to induce abortions

-Services related to a man’s reproductive capacity, like vasectomies

-http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-birth-control/

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Depends on how bad it is. If it's really bad it's basically the same thing as done under a vasectomy. Cutting open the scrotum. The full TT is cut open the scrotum and untwist the testicle, then permanent sutures to ensure it doesn't twist again. With luck and they get to it in under 6hrs the recovery rate is around 80-100% with no loss of the testicle. Then you have a secondary surgery usually within 2-4months to have the other side done and ensure that the initial suturing did the job and the other testicle didn't die. Both cases you're going under the knife, the difference between the two is TT is a medical emergency.

In the best case, it can be done with no surgery if it's only a partial twist and you're recovering the same day with little to no pain. The recovery also varies, I was bed ridden for two months and in a hell of a lot of pain. Which was basically the same thing that happened to my cousin for his vasectomy(around 5 years ago) and with my grandfather(~40ish years ago). In the best case for a vasectomy you're up and doing fine the same day. ~25 years later I still have pain from the surgery.

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[+]NewChristianThrwwy 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like a lot of women would support it. I mean I get a strong feeling if I brought it up with the women in my life they would be all for it. Maybe the issue just lacks visibility? Like it needs a public awareness campaign to build momentum behind it to bring it to fruition?

Edit: just asked my mom if she would support male birth control. She hesitated a bit before saying yes...and when questioned about her hesitation...cited concerns about safety.

I also got the feeling it was like a new/foreign idea to her. But she did say she supported it.

Edit2: posted this in /r/birthcontrol. Looks like there's a lot of women there. This thread made it to the top.

So I think there might be support from women as well.

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[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You are looking at this from the narrow lens of the US. The vast majority of men do not have vasectomies a very tiny percentage do.

So no it wouldn't be signifiant at all. And if you knew anything about the process the painful part is when they cut into the tubes going down to your testicles. This process would involve jabbing a needle into those tubes something that is going to hurt as well.

Tell me something how many women would be taking contraception if they had to have a needle jabbed into their ovaries in order to do it ? Very few, so why the fuck should men settle for some cheap shitty half measure that can't be taken via pill form ?

I'll answer that for you, they shouldn't. There are millions of dollars pushed into research for women's products to get them as good as possible yet we end up with this ?

Im sorry to unreasonably ask for the same level of care for men as women but you know I tend to believe men deserve the same.

As for calling me a coward, you can go fuck yourself. You know very well I am all for men having equal and fair reproductive rights its one area that men have been screwed over on since forever but some shitty half measure that involves this kind of process is not the answer.

[–]drpennypop 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]hecter 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Right, a small percentage of people get vasectomies because it's largely a permanent procedure. As opposed to Vasalgel, which is designed from the ground up to be reversible. A vasectomy involves severing your vas defrens. Vasalgel involves blocking it off. It should be clear that the pain involved would be, at worst, comparable to a vasectomy. A procedure which is already considered to be fairly painless. The reality is likely to be less painful.

How many women would be taking contraception if they had a needle jammed into their ovaries? Well, probably not many. But it's not really comparable to what's going on here. A needle to the fallopian tubes would be more comparable, but neither are as accessible as my sack. Depo-Provera is fairly common, and it's a needle, as well as a contraceptive implant. Though both are hormonal.

And that's one of the major things you're missing out on. This is non-hormonal and long term. In my opinion, it's as good as it gets. You say it's a shitty half measure, I say it's the best possible solution. I honestly see zero downsides to it other than the fact that I have to spend thirty minutes in the doctors office once a decade. So I'm sorry, but if you find the idea of having a needle to be that close to your testicles to be THAT off putting, that's pretty cowardly.

[–]jimmywiddle -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[+]NewChristianThrwwy 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

...I'm kind of confused because this method of bc has to do with the vas deferens which is equivalent to the fallopian tubes in women. Testes are equivalent to ovaries in women.

I feel like you're getting some human anatomy wrong in your posting. This method would not be injected into your testes.

[–]jimmywiddle -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Missing_Links 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell me something how many women would be taking contraception if they had to have a needle jabbed into their ovaries in order to do it?

Women have several forms of contraceptive whose insertion methods basically require being fisted by the doctor. That's at least as bad as a shot, and literally millions of women everywhere in the western world get them every single year.

And if you knew anything about the process the painful part is when they cut into the tubes going down to your testicles...

Those are called the vasa. They collectively feed into the vas deferens. Being insulting doesn't make you right, but I suppose that's not a concern as being wrong seems to not be a problem for you.

Pain wise, vasectomies are usually done under local anesthetic. This means that there is no perception of pain for the patient other than the initial local injection. Sometimes this is even done with a spray so there is not even injection pain. You are not very well informed.

so why the fuck should men settle for some cheap shitty half measure that can't be taken via pill form?

You also seem to have absolutely no concept of what would be fair in a meaningful sense. "Fair" here can mean nothing other than "how well can you rely on this method as your only form of birth control."

The pill is maybe the least desirable form of female contraception. Or actually of any contraceptive since even condoms work better. Any contraceptive can be well measured according to the following, in order of importance:

1) How effective is it at its maximum efficacy?

2) How hard is it to achieve constant maximum efficacy?

3) Is it permanent?

4) What are the side effects of the birth control? Specifically, is it hormonal or not?

5) How bad are the application/removal proceedures.

You chose the only factor that is actually almost meaningless as the only thing you're considering. And it is because you are a coward afraid of a little pain, which only exists in your mind in the first place because local anesthetic is used anyway. Vasagel, if it delivers on its promises, scores the maximum possible in every one of these categories. It would be orders of magnitude better than any form of female birth control that has ever been available.

You really have no idea what the promised form of this birth control would mean for men and for the world in general and you are indeed a coward. Now, I am done with you.

[–]jimmywiddle -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link