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"I did not consent."

Luxieee

September 25, 2012

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Title	"I did not consent."
Author	Luxieee
Upvotes	147
Comments	84
Date	September 25, 2012 10:14 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10h2qv/i_did_not_consent/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/i-did-not-consent.1012745 https://theredarchive.com/post/1012745

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[–]Luxieee[S] 20 points21 points22 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]FireTruth -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

agreed.... i was circumsised as a baby... it went normaly... and now i lost many of my pleasure receptors from my forskin.. possably.

sexual pleasure and satifcation is one of the most importaint things to a male.. and half the population of men in america have been robed of signifcaint sexual pleasure they were entitled to.

when we fix the laws... to give men eqaul rights.... we should make sure to add compensation packages for circumsised males... as well as a few hundren billion dollers for research on how to improve the sexual lives of circumsied males reglardess of how the procudure worked out. (take the funds from the VAWA)

remind us to also change laws so that every male circumsied as a baby gets 500,000 in cash... paid for in hospitial insurance, hospitial funds, and extra taxes on women (as an overall compensation package for back pay bennifts they owe us.)

freaze up money to womesn medical funding.. put it to learning how the brain and penis connects so that circumsied males can regrow pleasure receptors.

every circumsised male... is owed a huge pay out.. and the laws must reflect that.... lets start calling in all the bennifts we are owed. every women given lower standerds to get into college... the VAWA funds... returning child suport funds to the male it was stolen from

oh yes... eqaulity is good... but we also must make sure men get back what was stolen... if you have a stolen tv you gota give it back, even if u paid a lower price for it and feel its yours.

and circumsised males have lost many pleasure nerves... i didnt want to believe it... but i see its true now.... every one of us is owed resituion... time to change the hospital insurance laws and statute of limitations.

i expect at least 500,000 grand for being circumised... payed by the hosptial that didnt use basic commn sense... dont have the money?... becuase so many men have been circumsied?... then we gona need to change the laws to raid the VAWA founds.... take the money the goverment gives to womens medcial help (thats like 50 times more then what men get from the gov. medcialy speaking)

i saw we take back the bennifits we orignaly are entitiled to and are owed.

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[+]ilovenotohio 13 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a terrible argument. Sex is as good as it feels for someone circumcized. I literally cannot imagine what it'd feel like to be any better, because it already feels amazing. I literally cannot fathom what I'm missing, so to miss it is ridiculous. As great as sex feels, I think adding more to that is like throwing a match on a conflagration. Whoopdy do.

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But that makes no sense. It's either better for everybody, or not necessary for everybody. There is no, "It's better, but only if the parents want it, if they don't want it, that's okay too!"

I really don't need told time and time again that parents have the authority to make certain decisions for you. Like where you go to school. Whether you get your hair cut or not (which grows back). When you go to bed. What food they buy and cook for you. What clothes you wear. And before you say it, YES, I know it's legal, but parents do NOT have the right to choose which parents of their child the child gets to keep or not. There is no other body part on the child (and none on the female at all), that a parent gets to choose to remove prior to any medical need, based purely on 'what if' and 'maybe's' and a lot of times the parent's own aesthetic values. I can't count the amount of times that I've heard, "I am doing it because it looks better! I don't want my son to have an anteater dick!" It comes on him, sorry! You can't just choose what parts of your kid you don't like 'cause it's not 'pretty.' And you can't just choose to take off part of your kid because there may be some problems later in life. There may be problems with any organ on your body later in life.

EDIT to add: Also no other medical organization recommends RIC, only America says the benefits outweigh the risks. Coincidentally, America is full of fucking idiots, and also the highest rate of circumcision in the world.

[–]adh105 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Luxieee[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's either better for everybody, or not necessary. You said it. And it's not necessary. You know, most of those medical factors have been disproven, right? http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe

But yes, I agree, it's not even about medical factors. It's about ethics. It doesn't matter about the rest of the family, it's not their penis. It's HIS penis. Fathers and sons, contrary to what you seem to think, do not sit around comparing penises with each other. It is not going to emotionally traumatize them to have a different penis. That's seriously a crazy line of thinking. Does your infant sons penis have to look like yours? Will you super glue pubic hair to him? What about your daughters? They don't have breasts like your wife would, but they aren't sitting around crying, like, "What is going on?! I'm so different from my Mom! I can't stand this!" My kids have the opposite colored hair that I have. They seriously aren't emotionally traumatized by it. Celebrate your child's differences. Don't cut them up to have them conform to you.

[–]adh1051 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Those "myths bla bla bla on circumcision" are far less reputable than the dodgiest of medical reports supporting circumcision. The mere fact you are taking their word means you have bought into major parts of the debate against circumcision that are just plain wrong and demonstrate why people like you continue the argument and on ridiculous lines I might add too. There are plenty of cases of men suffering phycalogically due to the fact their penis is different (in regards to circumcision) and have gotten later in life circumcision as a result (which seriously who wants that) I personally am not religous but to ban circumcision on baby's is essentiallly bashing the jewish, christian (old testament) and islamic god, not mention the fact that Jesus was circumcised.

To argue circumcision on babies is wrong is the same as arguing ear piercing on babies is wrong.

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Nonsense, I've known personally lots of men who have had major sexual difficulties as a result of their circumcision. One friend had problems where his skin would tear at his circumcision scar, and several others with such tight cuts they were nearly INCAPABLE of orgasm. Circumcision is BEYOND inhumane, and anybody with a moral conscience can see this obvious absurdity of your immoral arguments. Circumcision is child abuse, plain and simple.

This is NOT uncommon. When I can pull out of the random sample of men I've known in my short 25 years and can see the obvious damage, emotionally, sexually that their mutilation has had on their lives. You are talking about risking DEATH god damn it, for what? And in the BEST case, you've still caused sexual harm on an innocent child, what a grotesque thing it is. I can think of few worse things done to children. Child rape is but a footnote to cutting off part of a kids dick dude, morally speaking.

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[–]adh1050 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

the death thing is far far far less likely then the many decreases in death caused later by things circumcision reduces the chance of (such as penile cancer 1/3 less circumcised males suffer from penile cancer)(cicrcumcision related death is a case by case basis, if performed by anyone qualified this will not happen) any reduction in 'sexual aptitude' caused by for example cutting to much foreskin off, has the same cases as those who have issues due to elongated foreskins, (one gets essnetially late in life minor circumcision one regrows some of the skin) again really a case by case basis.

Also a note people seem to be argueing that it takes away sensitive skin 'reducing sexual pleasure' this would merely increase the time before an orgasm (which generally seems the case although due to varying sensitivities at the head of the penis is argueable)

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A great deal of those people disagree with you. They're not forcing you to do anything

This is the essence of the issue. People who circumcise their children are forcing their children to be a certain way. Circumcision without consent eliminates choice.

Basically you are saying that you should have the ability to force circumcision on your children, while I'm saying that the children should be allowed to choose for themselves.

If your children agree with you as far as circumcision goes they can circumcise themselves when they're old enough to understand the procedure. I can't understand why you think it's so important to remove that choice from them.

If the removal of earlobes held cultural significance, decreased likelihood of bacterial funk buildup, and lessened hearing related diseases I would be all for it.

LOL. Well at least you're consistent.

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... That's stupid male circumcision proven to have benefits in terms protection against STI's (mainly HIV yes), the idea that you can tell whether an uncircumcised male or circumcised male (as a baby) gains more sexual pleasure is purely speculation as adult circumcision does cause negative effects its a bit hard to compare. If you don't like being circumcised so much you can undergo a procedure to 'restore' the foreskin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin_restoration.

Any 'evidence' in regards to sexual pain/pleasure in regards to circumcision is not only completely unclear, but contradictory as both increases and decreases have been found in different people 'due too' (using that lightly) circumcision.

Also unrelated some people do this to increase their sexual pleasure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatotomy

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You're analogy is so stupid it caused me to tear up at the lack of common-sense some people have.

I know sex with a condom to be less pleasurable I am sure you do to, but do you hence never use a condom? Am I irresponsible using a condom?

Getting immunisations generally makes you sick for a few days (depends from immune to immune) and plenty of people don't like needles, do we all walk around with immunisations? would a parent be irresponsible to give said children immunisations knowing fully well it will cause them illness and a nasty needle shot?

It is far more enjoyably for me to drive way above the speed limit? Am I irresponsible for following the speed limit?

I could do these all day probably but I hope to humanity/God/Gods (belief pick) that you have enough common sense to understand comparing circumcision to Castration also you will find (or at least would if you are not so mentally inept to understand) that abstinence will be just as effective.

You also seem use my first sentence as the basis of your argument did you bother to read beyond that or are as I have previously stated I am still hoping you are not so lacking in basic human brain-power, to have only read/understood/been able to read to (as headache set in due to brain overdrive)/take your pick out of many others, the first sentence and completely ignored the rest of my argument.

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