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'I don't feel comfortable': Barber defends refusing haircut to woman | CTV News

Lupinfujiko

July 26, 2018
48 upvotes
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/i-don-t-feel-comfortable-barber-defends-refusing-haircut-to-woman-1.4028473
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Title 'I don't feel comfortable': Barber defends refusing haircut to woman | CTV News
Author

Lupinfujiko

Upvotes 48
Comments 20
Date July 26, 2018 12:02 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/921n50/i_dont_feel_comfortable_barber_defends_refusing/
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[–]Lupinfujiko[S] 35 points36 points37 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We can have women's only gyms. But the minute a 70-year-old male barber politely refuses and apologizes profusely for not feeling adequate enough in his profession to be able to deliver as quality a service as is his honed craft it becomes National News and a complaint at the human Rights commission.

The experience left her feeling “a little bit angry, but more shocked and hurt.”

“It was scary and it was upsetting,” she said.

It was "scary" and "upsetting"?

Are you fucking kidding me?

[–]fasterfind 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how you win the argument. "I'm just a girl. I'm scared and hurt. He hurt me. He scared me."
Suddenly, you have sympathy and a line of people ready to fight for you. You just kind of signal that you're a victim, and amazing things happen for you.

[–]hackableyou 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She wasn’t scared. She went there specifically because she knew she would get rejected and could sue.

[–]ImperiallyInclined 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“The human rights code says that intent to discriminate is not the test. The test is the effect of the conduct. The effect on the person is what’s going to be looked at,” Knapp said.

To prove the effect:

“It was scary and it was upsetting,” she said.

Croft was so upset by the experience, she plans to file a formal complaint with the Ontario Human Rights Commission. The commission hears complaints and uses the Ontario Human Rights Code to determine if a person’s rights were infringed upon.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It was scary and it was upsetting,” she said.

Being refused a haircut is scary?

Edit. OZ is a death trap , spiders, snakes, etc. And a hair cut frightens her?

[–]8880886 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is in Canada.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Substitute bears, mouse, and rabid raccoons for those other things.

[–]neckbishop 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And the geese, oh god those are mean.

[–]Clemicus 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All the hatred from every single Canadian is distilled into [Canadian] geese. That's why there's a discrepancy between the two.

[–]fengpi 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

That's no excuse. I mean, it's not nearly like when a woman feels uncomfortable being around a man. /s

[–]EarthBelongsToAnts13 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Dudes never cut women’s hair for 47 years how is not being comfortable doing it not a valid excuse? You realize barbers and hair dressers require two different licences because women’s and men’s hair and cuts are so different?

Granted, she wanted a men’s cut but that doesn’t mean dude can just get over his anxiety of never having done it before and it being a store policy to only cut men’s hair.

I think this is a case of someone looking for offence and cashing in some oppression bucks. Kinda like bake the cake thing in the US.

[–]fengpi 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Forgot the /s

This situation is so prima facie absurd, it goes without saying.

[–]bbbr7864 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At 2:12 she states she is also a licensed hairstylist. I don’t want to get too into it, but I’m pretty sure that changes everything.

[–]fasterfind 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That could be a game changer, along with saying, "Hey, I just wanted them to try. Where's the harm in that?"

If she was LBTQ, is he obligated to try?
She didn't go in and ask for a woman's cut or woman's treatment. This isn't 100% sexist, but it might be a lukewarm, 5% sexist. Is it under the legal limit?

Conversely, one has to point out that there's 'female only' businesses. If I'm a guy with long goldilock locks and I like to pretend to be a girl.. I'll still be flatly refused at a female gym... unless maybe I've become transgender and the penis is also gone. A lot of evil and prejudice goes away with that pound of flesh. At that point, maybe they would be obligated to let me in. So many questions could be raised.

Maybe it's time we had eunuch barbershops. Part of getting your license is the removal of your male organ which is then wrapped around a rotating pole for prominent display. If someone cries foul and accuses you of sexism, you can just point at the pole and explain that you're not a man anymore, so sexism is impossible. Denying a woman would be no different than a man in your eyes. Let us also have eunuch courts. The judges will put their ovaries or testes into their gavels. Now they're unbiased, and ready to serve social justice with a level of fairness that it otherwise biologically impossible. They would preside over trials such as when a barber refuses to give a haircut or when a baker refuses to bake a cake. They would also preside over cases where an entire mountain was made from a humble mole hill.

[–]Galaxine 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chick here. Best haircut of my life was from a barber. I wanted a short cut w/ a fade on the sides. 4 beauty shops tried to talk me out of it or convince me to get a feminine pixie cut. I brought pics to a barber and he was magical.

If he told me "No can do, never done women's hair" I might have asked "You sure? I have a guy's style I am going for?" And if he said nah, not sure I can pull it off and make you look good... well, off to the next shop or stylist.

My current stylist is shitty with textured hair. She could do a basic clipper cut etc for a black guy, but has always been up front w/ black women. She is just not good at dealing with tight curls, afros, perming etc. But, 2 other stylists at the salon are, and she refers them to her coworkers. No racism. Just not good at the styling needed.

This chick is just looking for how to be a victim.

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These people are children and the court should treat them as such.

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[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one mentions the elephant in the room:

maybe this man is uncomfortable with women because of the close proximity he will have to be with a female client will put him at risk of a sexual assault accusation if he touches her by accident.

[–]Lupinfujiko[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The experience left her feeling “a little bit angry, but more shocked and hurt.”

“It was scary and it was upsetting,” she said.

The horror! Oh the humanity!!

How dare he manpologize to her for his inadequacies!

[–]CrockpotSeal 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The human rights code says that intent to discriminate is not the test. The test is the effect of the conduct. The effect on the person is what’s going to be looked at,

This is astonishing. I feel so gross being an Ontario resident knowing our human rights tribunal operates with this as its mandate.

[–]fasterfind 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The law seems to be headed in this direction all over the world. It doesn't matter if you're a good or a bad person anymore. What matters is if someone can find a way to convince a judge or jury that you did some harm to someone or something.

You cut down that tree in your front yard, but it happened to be home to a rare kind of wood worm, that'll be five years in federal lockdown and $250,000 for violating some obscure act about protecting species.

Most of the people in jail (USA) are in there for victimless crimes. That's right, there was no victim. No damage done. Nobody got hurt... but we're still going to say a crime took place.

The future looks bright.

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