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[–]Ma99ie10 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Is that a serious question? It's not only overblown, it's almost wholly made up. There is no "rape culture". One in five college women are not getting sexually assaulted. This is the same type of hysteria as the child molestation witch hunts of the 1980's. The "research" that supports the activists is advocacy research created by whack jobs and ideologues. People trained in "sexual assault response" are on a crusade, despite the equities. These are the type of people who arrest and charge 7 year old boys with sexual assault.
[–]Methodius_7 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The details of what McCaskill will propose are not yet fully known, but the expectation is that the legislation will call for consent every step of the way in a sexual encounter. The consent doesn’t have to be verbal. It can be implicit and it can be body language, but it must be clear and unambiguous.
This worries me. Because it still comes down to a he said/she said scenario. There is no way to prove consent, unless you tape record it or get a woman to sign something before any sexual contact. Every single time it happens. And as it is, if it comes down to he said/she said? Most people are more likely to believe the she.
[–]wowsuchphysics3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Even if she were to sign something before, she can just later claim that she revoked it midway and the man didn't stop. Thus women would have to sign before and after saying consent was given. But even that wouldn't matter as she could just claim signing under duress. There really is no way to prove consent without actual video evidence.
[–]IS443 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Let's pretend that 1 in 4 women are raped, and that 80% of these rapes go unreported, as so many feminists claim.
That turns into a "statistic" that 5 in 4 women are raped. Dyscalculia and wine are not friends.
Problem? Just a tad. The real problem here is that people often look for some easy-cut stat they can drop into a conversation. They want the shit you can easily outline, without further investigation; that's how these things work. It's simpler to claim 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 than it is to say, "Here are the actual stats, and here's the real issue, and here are some studies surrounding the controversy. Also, here's the statistic for men who are raped, which doesn't get added, because hey, who cares, they're men."
To make the point short: Mainstream radical feminism is fucking lazy as hell. Take it from a woman who got tired of that butchered statistics shit a long time ago.
[–]BatmanBrah3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Whether this is true or not, (though several factors strongly suggest it is overblown), the fact that conversations can be had here without insults and abuse being thrown at those who simply question the biased statistics they've been told being a primary viewpoint is truly a great thing.
[–]hippo_canoe3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I cannot imagine what it must be like for men of college age right now. The suggestion that they record consent at every point of the encounter almost seems like a rational response to the very real possibility that at any point in the future, the woman may choose to reclassify the event into rape, and condemn a man to rape at the hands of the system. Unfortunately, such a recording, even were it not explicit, could probably be recast as some sort of perverse intrusion into the woman's privacy with all the incumbent repercussions.
Does anyone know of more reliable statistics about rape, and campus rape in particular? I know a young lady that admitted her biggest fear was getting raped on campus, and I'd like to reassure her that this 1 in 4 statistic is vastly out of proportion to the realities. TIA.
[–]baskandpurr3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes
[–]Nomenimion1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There is no "rape crisis." Rather, there is a false reporting crisis.
[–]ahhidk1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
2-6% of rape claims have been found to be false. That isn't a crisis at all. More of a crisis is 60% of rapes go unreported.
[–]sirwartooth1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
haha what
[–]ahhidk0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Did you just really link to a blogspot with information from before 2000? Let me catch you up to date with a study published in 2010: 'One of the most controversial disputes affecting the discourse related to violence against women is the dispute about the frequency of false allegations of sexual assault. In an effort to add clarity to the discourse, published research on false allegations is critiqued, and the results of a new study described. All cases (N = 136) of sexual assault reported to a major Northeastern university over a 10-year period are analyzed to determine the percentage of false allegations. Of the 136 cases of sexual assault reported over the 10-year period, 8 (5.9%) are coded as false allegations. These results, taken in the context of an examination of previous research, indicate that the prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.' 'Applying IACP guidelines, a case was classified as a false report if there was evidence that a thorough investigation was pursued and that the investigation had yielded evidence that the reported sexual assault had in fact not occurred. A thorough investigation would involve, potentially, multiple interviews of the alleged perpetrator, the victim, and other witnesses, and where applicable, the collection of other forensic evidence (e.g., medical records, security camera records). For example, if key elements of a victim’s account of an assault were internally inconsistent and directly contradicted by multiple witnesses and if the victim then altered those key elements of his or her account, investigators might conclude that the report was false. That conclusion would have been based not on a single interview, or on intuitions about the credibility of the victim, but on a “preponderance” of evidence gathered over the course of a thorough investigation."' (http://vaw.sagepub.com/content/16/12/1318.full.pdf+html)
Edit: The link requires a login that you may not have to view the PDF, so here's a login free copy: http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
Bogus stats.
Claim of 'bogus stats,' no actual statistics or sources to prove otherwise Few comments down I posted supporting evidence for my 'bogus stats'
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